NEW YORK | 175 Greenwich St. | 1,079 FT | 80 FLOORS

[M II A II R II K]

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Lord Rogers’s Tower 3 at 175 Greenwich Street, between Dey and Cortlandt Streets, is a flat-topped building with asymmetrical shoulders and the diagonal beams of the exoskeletal framework seem to echo the rooftop of Tower 2. The building will rise 1,155 feet, reaching the higher pinnacle at the antennas. It will have five trading floors, three retail floors, nine mechanical floors and 54 floors of offices, for a total of 71 stories.

Cortlandt Street will be kept open between Tower 3 and Tower 4. The Port Authority had originally proposed constructing a shopping arcade that would join the buildings’ bases, but city officials objected to the loss of an open corridor between the memorial and the rest of Lower Manhattan.

[Jularc]

http://www.pbase.com/image/77334128.jpg

[Scruffy]

i understand why JP Morgan wants to control its own tower but its not an ideal situation at tower 5. Here they have 5 fully adaptable trading floors at their disposal. It seems like a great oppertunity. They have to stop their petty power plays (ooh, im gonna move to stamford) decide on tower 5 or decide on tower 2 before someone else comes in and swipes tower 2's trading floors away from them.

[Dac150]

To me J.P. Morgan had a perfectly fine building a few blocks away. Why they sold it I don't know (possibly because it was too small). This can go either way for me. This can pan out to be a very nice tower if negotiations are worked out or they can pull out and a flimsy residential tower can go up. To me you want these guys hanging around because they'll ensure a large office tower for that spot. If they take tower 2, then the tower 5 spot could not be as large.

[KevinFromTexas]

Cool design. I love the facade.

[Stephenapolis]

2nd best design in the WTC complex. I really like how the tower is on the farside of the property, away from the memorial site.

[pico44]

I'm a big Rogers fan but I can't think of anything he has done that is as good as the rendering for wtc3. New York is so damn lucky.

[Stratosphere]

I don't like this design. It reminds me of the NY Times tower which looked cool in renders but average in photos.

[CoolCzech]

Certain details of the facade - like the screens at the top - remind me of the NY Times tower. I hope Rogers considers how that building turned out before finalizing his plans.

[Stratosphere 2020]

That is a handsome modern building! Good for NYC!

[STERNyc]

Certain details of the facade - like the screens at the top - remind me of the NY Times tower. I hope Rogers considers how that building turned out before finalizing his plans.

The screens at the top are not the problem with the NYTIMES. Its the rods. The screens here are glass and should look brilliant along with the rest of the tower. No rods, just steel and glass in a compact, gotham-modern design.

[Lecom]

Industrial factory aesthetic. Great for Gotham.

[Aleks]

dang it but yeah it is the second best of the towers!
i really like it
nice facade and for a flat roofed building it looks awesome

[JMGarcia]

It works well with the FT and is very "gotham modern" IMO. It should be a stunner.

[DUBAI2015]

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/72105228/original.jpg

Looks like a cool tower for NYC.

[NYguy]

Probably my favorite of the new WTC towers...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66811556/original.jpg

[NYguy]

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66466726/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66466726/original.jpg

[NYguy]

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66466720/original.jpg

[NYguy]

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66520872/original.jpg

[Patrick]

The problem with 3 WTC is it has too much detail. The Other towers are plain, but unique in their own way. The braceing on the tower is very cool, but dosnt belong in the complex. Maybe it would be better off without the exterior braceing.

[bayrider]

Kinda like the NY Times tower done right.

[Thefigman]

This building compliments the Calavatra's new terminal.

I would love to see a rendering looking at this building from the memorials, especially the South Tower memorial. The view will be fantastic!

[Adyton]

The exterior detailing and bracing is what makes this tower extraordinary... unique! It will be one of the "BEST" worldwide once built... an instant supertall landmark ... similar to what IM Pei's Bank of China building did for Hong Kong:yes:

What's remarkable is... Foster's tower 2 will be another right next store... then you have Calatrava's station... another... it's like the WOW factor multiplied exponentially by 3!

[NYguy]

Closer look at some of those details...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66811553/original.jpg

[Nowhereman1280]

I have to agree with Patrick, the details are a little too busy for me. I mean I'm all for exposed structural bracing (i.e. the beautiful Hancock), but this one looks a bit busy especially when view from an angle instead of dead on. Tower 2 is my favorite in the complex, but this is a close second, it could possibly have been my favorite if it had a little more conservative detailing. That's why I don't like Times tower, its too busy.

Other than that, great building, in any case I'd love to have it in Chicago!

[DUBAI2015]

Tower 2 does'nt show up in that picture

[oldpainless]

There is an interesting contrast between WTC 3 and 4. 3 is very complex and detailed while 4 is very undetailed and smooth. It should be interesting to see them side by side with the huge contrast.

[KevinFromTexas]

I think this one's actually my favorite. From top to bottom it's beautiful and interesting.

[john_mclark]

I didn't like it at first but then I looked at it again and changed my mind. It’s a really cool looking building.

[nitroek]

Besides good looking, it looks pretty modern and quite stylish, as a building should be specially in NY:tup:

[CoolCzech]

My impression of the rendering is that, overall, its fine. My criticism would be that perhaps its a bit too busy. On the other hand, size goes a long way towards making me feel better about it... it'll look beautiful once finished, provided the execution is up to par.

[NYguy]

Work continues on site/construction of the slurry wall for the new "bathtub"...
www.lowermanhattan.info

http://lowermanhattan.info/construction/gallery/photos/01gallery_construct03_2007.jpg


http://lowermanhattan.info/construction/gallery/photos/10gallery_eastbathtub1.jpg

[NYguy]

Looking at all sides from lowermanhattan.info

http://lowermanhattan.info/construction/gallery/photos/Rogers-1.jpghttp://lowermanhattan.info/construction/gallery/photos/Rogers-2.jpghttp://lowermanhattan.info/construction/gallery/photos/Rogers-9.jpg


http://lowermanhattan.info/construction/gallery/photos/Rogers-3.jpg_http://lowermanhattan.info/construction/gallery/photos/Rogers-7.jpg


http://lowermanhattan.info/construction/gallery/photos/Rogers-6.jpg

[Thskyscraper]

This is my favorite building on the site. I love the exposed bracing.

[Aleks]

so is it gonna be built or is it still a proposed building?!?

[djvandrake]

so is it gonna be built or is it still a proposed building?!?

Definitely will be built.

I love the design of this tower. It's Rogers best work yet. If I had any concerns at all, I would say this tower is more fitting as a skyline centerpiece. I could see this dominating the skyline of a lesser city than NY. In the context of the trade center site, it's a touch busy compared to the other towers.

I would die to have a tower of this quality in my silly little town.

[STERNyc]

I love this building, I feel that it's impact is somewhat overwhelmed by its neighbors. Imagine this beauty in place of Bear Stearns in midtown Manhattan with the Metlife Building only about reaching the height of its lower tower setback. Wow!


http://general.parameters.cc/00_upload/wtc02/01.jpg

[NYguy]

I love this building, I feel that it's impact is somewhat overwhelmed by its neighbors. Imagine this beauty in place of Bear Stearns in midtown Manhattan with the Metlife Building only about reaching the height of its lower tower setback. Wow!

Even the "stubby" Tower 4 will reach the height of the top of the glass pyramid on the new BofA in Midtown.

A few years ago we would have been excited just to get Tower 3 on site. Now it's only 3rd tallest...:yes:

[Raraavis]

Anywhere else in the world this building would be magnificent. However, jammed in so closely to its four siblings all the detail on the building seems out of place. It should either be toned down to match the other buildings or they should go with a radically different glass color to differentiate it from the others.

[Antares41]

This building is the one that has the most "stand-alone" quality. It doesn't need the other three. It could be built anyway in NYC or anywhere in the world for that matter and it would have been highly celebrated. But, as others pointed out this strength is also its weakness. I just seem to have the least in common with other buildings of the complex. Nevertheless, I don't want to see it altered in any way, not one iota!

[NYguy]

While Tower 4 turns its public face away from the memorial, this tower doesn't...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66755891/original.jpg


It will also have an outdoor deck overlooking the memorial and the trade center, probably for tenants (on top of first setback)...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66755887/original.jpg

[Aleks]

this looks like a building that would fit in in Cgicago or Hong Kong
but anyways thats a huge female dog!!
how tal is the base of the towet looks pretty tall

[CoolCzech]

Anywhere else in the world this building would be magnificent. However, jammed in so closely to its four siblings all the detail on the building seems out of place. It should either be toned down to match the other buildings or they should go with a radically different glass color to differentiate it from the others.

I tend to agree. It IS a nice design, but right next to 4 WTC it might seem too busy and overly detailed.

[DUBAI2015]

http://general.parameters.cc/00_upload/wtc02/01.jpg

wwwwwwwooooooooooooooooooowwwwwww.

I'm in love with this tower from now on!

[sfcity1]

I tend to agree. It IS a nice design, but right next to 4 WTC it might seem too busy and overly detailed.

But this fits the character of NYC, that is, very busy and over detailed. Much better than being very forgettable anyways.

[NYguy]

Getting peeks at some new renderings now...
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05042007/news/regionalnews/wtcs_window_to_the_world_regionalnews_tom_topousis.htm

WTC'S WINDOW TO THE WORLD
TOWER 3 LOBBY A GLASS-IC

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05042007/photos/news019a.jpg

LOOK OUT THERE: 3 WTC, which Ground Zero developer Larry Silverstein says will be a corporate dream, will contain a three-story high lobby with glass walls.

By TOM TOPOUSIS
May 4, 2007

Here's the first look at the dramatic three-story lobby slated for World Trade Center Tower 3, with its glass-walled atrium overlooking a new section of Greenwich Street and the Santiago Calatrava- designed rail station just to the north.

Tower 3, which is being designed by British architect Richard Rogers, is one of three towers slated for the eastern edge of the World Trade Center, between Church Street and what will be a newly reopened section of Greenwich Street.

"It's a massive building with 2.4 million square feet of office space," said Ground Zero developer Larry Silverstein.

"At 1,155 feet tall, it has 40,000-square-foot floors in the tower and four floors with over 50,000-square- foot trading floors in the base."

Silverstein envisions Tower 3, also known as 175 Greenwich St., as a corporate headquarters because of its large trading floors that are coveted by financial firms.

Of the three towers Silverstein is building between Church and Greenwich streets, Tower 2 and Tower 3 will have trading floors. Tower 4, at the southeastern corner of the site, will host the Port Authority, city government and private tenants.

"They will be magnificent buildings, and they will be at the forefront of technological capability," Silverstein said, explaining that each architect is world renowned.

Norman Foster is designing Tower 2, and Fumihiko Maki is the architect behind Tower 4. Design and engineering teams for all three architects have been working side by side in a 10th-floor center at Silverstein's 7 World Trade Center.

"We're moving totally on schedule, and every benchmark has been accomplished," he said of the design work that is now 50 percent complete. Silverstein said he expects final designs for all three buildings to be done by July 1.

Under a deal worked out with the Port Authority and the governors of New York and New Jersey last year, Silverstein agreed to give up control of the Freedom Tower and a fifth tower slated for a site just a block south of the World Trade Center campus.

As part of the deal, the Port Authority agreed to complete the construction of a 70-foot-deep slurry wall around Silverstein's building site, along with excavation of the site, by the end of the year. The developer, in turn, has agreed to finish his towers by 2012.

Port Authority spokesman Steve Coleman said the excavation and slurry-wall construction is on track to be completed in December.

[djvandrake]

Awesome. :) That three story lobby makes a beautiful tower even better.

[DUBAI2015]

The New World Trade Center:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/226/482034470_a2ce64404a_o.jpg

[mudvayneimn]

When I first discovered the new renderings for the towers that were to be built at the site, this one really stole my heart! I think it is simply amazing, and I think the spot it's in is perfect for it. The completion of new WTC is really going to be one of the highlights of my age groups lifetime!

[NYguy]

When I first discovered the new renderings for the towers that were to be built at the site, this one really stole my heart! I think it is simply amazing, and I think the spot it's in is perfect for it. The completion of new WTC is really going to be one of the highlights of my age groups lifetime!

We're all witnessing something special. Years from now we will look back and remember how lucky we were to have watched it rise.

Even Tower 3, at 1,155 ft (1,255 ft) seems dwarfed by Freedom Tower and Tower 2 from that angle...

[Fabb]

We're all witnessing something special. Years from now we will look back and remember how lucky we were to have watched it rise.


And we'll also remember the pitiful theory of nothing-above-50-floors at the beginning of the process.

[NYguy]

And we'll also remember the pitiful theory of nothing-above-50-floors at the beginning of the process.

As well as the Libeskind garden tower, and the Childs windmill tower.

[antinimby]

As well as the Libeskind garden tower, and the Childs windmill tower.Yeah, I think someone should post those again, just for laughs.

[NYguy]

Yeah, I think someone should post those again, just for laughs.

What we had...

http://www.solarnavigator.net/geography/geography_images/New_York_City_Lower_Manhattan_World_Trade_Center_August_2001.jpg
solarnavigator.net

What we could have gotten...

http://www.caddigest.com/subjects/wtc/select/images/libeskind.jpghttp://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/2079215/2112767/2122005/050705_FreedomTOWER2_ex.jpg
caddigest.com / slate.com


What we're lucky to be getting...

http://www.metropolismag.com/webimages/2374/196000-hr_t346.jpghttp://www.curbed.com/2006_09_wtc2.jpg
metropolismag.com / curbed.com

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42058000/jpg/_42058722_manhattan416ap.jpghttp://www.curbed.com/2006_09_wtc2.jpg
bbc / curbed.com

Libeskind strikes back...:)

http://www.oread.ku.edu/2006/october/9/images/snapshot1.jpg
KU

[antinimby]

I think this "collaborative" version of the Freedom Tower looked the stupid-est.

We are forever indebted to the NYPD. They are definitely the finest.

http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/2079215/2112767/2122005/050705_FreedomTOWER2_ex.jpg

[Dac150]

We are so damn lucky to have got we we did as the final design. Seeing those first two sent chills up my spine. To think there was a good chance one of those would have been it. All the credit in the world goes to the NYPD.

You can say what you want abot the new FT's concrete base, but if it weren't for that.......well you get the picture. A small (very small) price to pay if you ask me. And even that is not so bad. Again, We Are Fortunate!!!!!

[CoolCzech]

I think this "collaborative" version of the Freedom Tower looked the stupid-est.

We are forever indebted to the NYPD. They are definitely the finest.

http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/2079215/2112767/2122005/050705_FreedomTOWER2_ex.jpg


I think the difference between the this and the final FT version is the fact there have been no domestic terrorist incidents since 9/11. Let's hope that stays forever the case... but at the very least, until present plans are completed. I'm afraid if another major US building is destroyed somewhere in the next 12 months or so, we'll have to bid the present spectacular plans a fond adieu...

[CoolCzech]

Libeskind strikes back...:)

http://www.oread.ku.edu/2006/october/9/images/snapshot1.jpg
KU


No doubt about it: Libeskind's vision is being realized to a far, far greater degree than anyone could have predicted when his plan was first adopted.

The FT at 1,776 feet with a symbolic "SoL" referencing-spire, the ascending swirl of towers... not to mention that 2 WTC looks a lot like one of his "placeholders!" The memorial is where he wanted it, and while it's (mercifully) not just an open pit, there nevertheless WILL be underground chambers leading down to the very foundations of the slurry wall, like he envisioned. Why - even his vision of giant waterfalls will be realized! Who would have foreseen that?

Libeskind has every reason to be satisfied with the final outcome, except perhaps for having wanted to design a building or two himself... nevetheless, his vision will be realized.

[NYguy]

I think this "collaborative" version of the Freedom Tower looked the stupid-est.

We'll call that one the Pataki Tower. After all, it was his wisdom that produced that design. Looking at it - and the spire - now, you realize how ridiculous it was. Pataki should have been run out of the country.

[NYguy]

I think the difference between the this and the final FT version is the fact there have been no domestic terrorist incidents since 9/11. Let's hope that stays forever the case... but at the very least, until present plans are completed. I'm afraid if another major US building is destroyed somewhere in the next 12 months or so, we'll have to bid the present spectacular plans a fond adieu...

The terrorist attack, while responsible, didn't directly destroy the Twin Towers. You'll never see another attack like that, and even if you did, the likelihood of the tower(s) collapsing like the Twin Towers is low.

People need to keep in mind that skyscrapers aren't the only possible terrorists targets. In fact, they are not even the most vulnerable to attack. Imagine an attack on one of the city's tunnels, bridges, subways, commuter stations, stadiums, etc. Skyscrapers are more restricted than those public spaces.

[NYguy]

No doubt about it: Libeskind's vision is being realized to a far, far greater degree than anyone could have predicted when his plan was first adopted.

The FT at 1,776 feet with a symbolic "SoL" referencing-spire, the ascending swirl of towers... not to mention that 2 WTC looks a lot like one of his "placeholders!"

Libeskind's "vision" was for the site plan itself, and that has never really been in doubt (except for moving the Freedom Tower a bit). Everything is where it has always been planned. It was Libeskind's desire to actually design the buildings that got him shut out. The 1776 ft was Libeskind's all the way. But I didn't buy that SOL reference from either of the last versions, and I certainly don't buy it now. Also, a lot of people think Fosters Tower 2 looks a lot like Libeskinds placeholder. But I think it actually has as much or more in common with the Freedom Tower that's being built now.

[Master Shake]

Libeskind's "vision" was for the site plan itself, and that has never really been in doubt (except for moving the Freedom Tower a bit). Everything is where it has always been planned. It was Libeskind's desire to actually design the buildings that got him shut out. The 1776 ft was Libeskind's all the way. But I didn't buy that SOL reference from either of the last versions, and I certainly don't buy it now. Also, a lot of people think Fosters Tower 2 looks a lot like Libeskinds placeholder. But I think it actually has as much or more in common with the Freedom Tower that's being built now.

The whole architectural "contest" was sadly just a dog and pony show for Silverstein to build the exact design he proposed a week after 9/11. I am sorry, but the WTC designs are just god awful dreck. Each is pure 1980's Houston in style. David Childs is a hack so his design is to be expected, but what is really disappointing is Foster's awful design. This is the same man that reinvented the skyscraper with the Gherkin? Who built the Hearst building in Midtown? The other two designs may be salvageable, but both are obviously bloated by Silverstein's desire to maximize floorspace.

Please check how the new skyscrapers that are being built and proposed in Chicago, Paris, London and Dubai and tell me with a straight face that the new WTC designs are anything but utterly banal. They would have been interesting in 1985 not 2007. They represent an utter failure of civil society and vision in New York and are an insult to those who died that day.

[Stratosphere]

The whole architectural "contest" was sadly just a dog and pony show for Silverstein to build the exact design he proposed a week after 9/11. I am sorry, but the WTC designs are just god awful dreck. Each is pure 1980's Houston in style. David Childs is a hack so his design is to be expected, but what is really disappointing is Foster's awful design. This is the same man that reinvented the skyscraper with the Gherkin? Who built the Hearst building in Midtown? The other two designs may be salvageable, but both are obviously bloated by Silverstein's desire to maximize floorspace.

Please check how the new skyscrapers that are being built and proposed in Chicago, Paris, London and Dubai and tell me with a straight face that the new WTC designs are anything but utterly banal. They would have been interesting in 1985 not 2007. They represent an utter failure of civil society and vision in New York and are an insult to those who died that day.
Agreed.:tup:

[NYguy]

The whole architectural "contest" was sadly just a dog and pony show for Silverstein to build the exact design he proposed a week after 9/11.

That's easy to say, but the facts prove otherwise. For a long time it was not even certain Silverstein would remain in charge or build anything. Nothing being built now is as Silverstein proposed a week after 9/11. In fact, Silverstein didn't propose anything. There was talk of building a group of 50-story towers, but that was just theoretical talk of how to replace 2 110-story buildings.

Please check how the new skyscrapers that are being built and proposed in Chicago, Paris, London and Dubai and tell me with a straight face that the new WTC designs are anything but utterly banal. They would have been interesting in 1985 not 2007.

You have your opinion. Others have theirs. But either way, I'm neither concerned with, nor care about what designs are being proposed or built in Chicago or any of those other places. Let those cities have two 110-story towers destroyed in a terrorist attack, then get back to me about the fantastic designs. Like it or not, there are real issues with the WTC rebuilding, and I think we are lucky to be getting what we are under the circumstances.

I'll take my chances with this:

http://www.curbed.com/2006_09_wtc2.jpg

[pico44]

The whole architectural "contest" was sadly just a dog and pony show for Silverstein to build the exact design he proposed a week after 9/11. I am sorry, but the WTC designs are just god awful dreck. Each is pure 1980's Houston in style. David Childs is a hack so his design is to be expected, but what is really disappointing is Foster's awful design. This is the same man that reinvented the skyscraper with the Gherkin? Who built the Hearst building in Midtown? The other two designs may be salvageable, but both are obviously bloated by Silverstein's desire to maximize floorspace.

Please check how the new skyscrapers that are being built and proposed in Chicago, Paris, London and Dubai and tell me with a straight face that the new WTC designs are anything but utterly banal. They would have been interesting in 1985 not 2007. They represent an utter failure of civil society and vision in New York and are an insult to those who died that day.

Fosters awful design? Don't make me laugh. Go away troll.

[Scruffy]

There are opinions and then there are people deliberately trying to start a fight. please don't bite and start 3 full pages and back and forth

[pico44]

There are opinions and then there are people deliberately trying to start a fight. please don't bite and start 3 full pages and back and forth

I'm not biting. I just saw the bait and wanted to label it as such, in order to prevent people from wasting their time taking it seriously.

[NYguy]

^ Bait or not, I have a low tolerance for ignorance. Opinions are fine. But facts are facts, lets not confuse the two, or accept it from others.

[NYguy]

More images from Rodgers...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78405035/original.jpg__http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78405083/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78405103/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78405109/original.jpg

[Master Shake]

Fosters awful design? Don't make me laugh. Go away troll.

Yes, Foster's design, especially compared to his WTC proposal is uninspired at best. I find it dated and uninventive.

Most architectural critics, New York Times, New Yorker, Metropolis, panned the Silverstein's final designs. I had very high hopes for these buildings, as did most New Yorkers.

They will most likely be perfectly respectable corporate headquarters, but they do not provide a vision for the World. They could have.

They should have.

[NYguy]

Yes, Foster's design, especially compared to his WTC proposal is uninspired at best. I find it dated and uninventive.

Most architectural critics, New York Times, New Yorker, Metropolis, panned the Silverstein's final designs. I had very high hopes for these buildings, as did most New Yorkers.

They will most likely be perfectly respectable corporate headquarters, but they do not provide a vision for the World. They could have.

They should have.

OK. Next!.....:rolleyes:

[Thskyscraper]

I think the complex is just fine the way it is.

[NYguy]

pathrestoration.com

http://www.pathrestoration.com/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/04/secantpiles01.jpg


http://www.pathrestoration.com/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/04/secantpiles02.jpg


http://www.pathrestoration.com/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/04/secantpiles03.jpg


http://www.pathrestoration.com/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/04/secantpiles04.jpg

[NYguy]

From this cam shot, you can see work continuing on the sites of towers 2, 3, and 4, as well as the Freedom Tower...(and Goldman Sachs)

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78923069/original.jpg

[StevenW]

Very, very nice tower! :)

[NYguy]

More renderings...
www.rsh-p.com


http://www.rsh-p.com/Asp/uploadedFiles/image/5270_WTC_tower3/concept/5270_0019_1_w.jpg?


http://www.rsh-p.com/Asp/uploadedFiles/image/5270_WTC_tower3/concept/5270_0026_1_w.jpg

[Stratosphere]

More renderings...
www.rsh-p.com


http://www.rsh-p.com/Asp/uploadedFiles/image/5270_WTC_tower3/concept/5270_0019_1_w.jpg?
Wow...nice rendering. Too bad that 2 WTC is blocked from this angle.

[Fabb]

It's so nice... and not realistic. Like in a cheap sci-fi movie.

[nygirl1]

Wow...nice rendering. Too bad that 2 WTC is blocked from this angle. How is it blocked when we can clearly see it? It will be blocked by certain angles but not this one.

[Swede]

Tho isn't WTC2 under-represented in that render? the top will be really close the WTC1's roof...
/I'm also missing WTC5, Goldman-Sachs, 111 & 123 Washington St.

[CoolCzech]

[QUOTE=Swede;2845288]Tho isn't WTC2 under-represented in that render? the top will be really close the WTC1's roof...
[QUOTE]

Absolutely.

Supposedly, the smaller size of 2 WTC in that rendering represents the fact its further back than the FT, but in reality the upper part of the "diamond" will be just 12 feet shy of the FT's roof height. I think that rendering exagerates how far back 2 WTC is. And 3 is shown just ridiculously small.

[Dalton]

[QUOTE=Swede;2845288]Tho isn't WTC2 under-represented in that render? the top will be really close the WTC1's roof...
[QUOTE]

Absolutely.

Supposedly, the smaller size of 2 WTC in that rendering represents the fact its further back than the FT, but in reality the upper part of the "diamond" will be just 12 feet shy of the FT's roof height. I think that rendering exagerates how far back 2 WTC is. And 3 is shown just ridiculously small.


I mentioned this earlier and NYguy shot me down. I too think the height of 2 WTC is wrong in these renderings. Out of the 4 tall buildings of the new WTC, the one that impresses me the most is 2 WTC - it's like Chicago's Smurfit-Stone building on steroids, only much more refined and elegant. Can't wait to see it built.

[NYguy]

I'll shoot you down again..

Supposedly, the smaller size of 2 WTC in that rendering represents the fact its further back than the FT, but in reality the upper part of the "diamond" will be just 12 feet shy of the FT's roof height. I think that rendering exagerates how far back 2 WTC is. And 3 is shown just ridiculously small.

As I've said before, its the angle. The closer to the shoreline you get, the bigger the gap is between the towers closest to it, and those further back. Just look at tower 4, which is a couple of hunderd feet taller than the WFC. If the rendering had been done from the air, you'd get a more accurate depiction of the height.

[NYguy]

Look at these photos. 1 and 2 WTC weren't as far apart, yet clearly there is a height difference...

http://www.michaelcreasy.com/photos/New%20York/World%20Trade%20Center.jpg?http://www.allusa.it/img/galleria/Twin%20Towers%20&%20Battery%20Park.jpg?
michaelcreasy.com/allusa.it

[aluminum]

^^^Actually the tower behind is 6 feet taller than the one ahead, but it seems the other way.
Also at long distances its hard to tell the difference because the difference isn't much...
It also depends on the line of sight with which we are looking at.

[kenc]

Looking at that picture I can't help but think the "new" Trade Center is going to be much more beautiful than the old. I feel the loss of all those killed on 911, but the replacement will be a much better urban neighborhood than before.

[aluminum]

The picture shows how the twin 110 storey giant monsters made the lower Manhattan look incredibly massive.

[NYguy]

Fun with Freedom and tower 3...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/80287417/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/80287412/original.jpg

[NYguy]

Posted on curbed.com....

these images give an idea of the construction craziness Downtown...

http://curbed.com/2007_08_graph2.jpg


http://curbed.com/2007_08_graph3.jpg


http://curbed.com/2007_08_graph4.jpg


http://curbed.com/2007_08_cranes.jpg

[NYguy]

Four months left for the PA to finish its work, and turn over the site to Silverstein...

http://www.pathrestoration.com/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/07/secantpilesE02.jpg
Port Authority


http://www.pathrestoration.com/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/07/secantpilesE03.jpg
Port Authority


http://www.pathrestoration.com/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/07/secantpilesE04.jpg
Port Authority

[Lecom]

Those are some crazy charts, NYguy. Thanks to curbed for digging those up.

[Lecom]

It's so nice... and not realistic. Like in a cheap sci-fi movie.
Looks better than that sixties movie about the moon landing.

[CGII]

Tho isn't WTC2 under-represented in that render? the top will be really close the WTC1's roof...


Absolutely.

Supposedly, the smaller size of 2 WTC in that rendering represents the fact its further back than the FT, but in reality the upper part of the "diamond" will be just 12 feet shy of the FT's roof height. I think that rendering exagerates how far back 2 WTC is. And 3 is shown just ridiculously small.

I was skeptical of the insignificant appearence of 2WTC as well, so I did an analysis. I made two boxes equal in height to 1 WTC and placed them around 1 and 2 WTC and did some perspectives investiagtion.

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8931/analysisrc7.jpg

And while 3 and 4 WTC make look small compared to 1, compare them to 40 Wall Street or Chase and you'll see that they are actually quite large.

[NYguy]

^ I like the blue highlight. I remember Silverstein saying that all of the towers would have that blue illumination. I hope he was right.

BTW, that perspective drawing pretty much shows the difference in height that angle would make.

[NYguy]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09052007/news/regionalnews/ground_zero_to_60.htm

GROUND 'ZERO TO 60'
WTC TOWER WORK SURGES AHEAD AT LAST

By TOM TOPOUSIS
September 5, 2007

What a difference a year makes, even at Ground Zero.

Once dogged by bitter fights over how to rebuild the World Trade Center,
construction there is finally booming, with more than 600 hardhats pouring
concrete, blasting rock and raising steel in a bid to fully rebuild the site by 2012.

The Freedom Tower - the first skyscraper to rise at Ground
Zero - has reached street level with the setting of jumbo steel beams that
will form the below-grade base. Next year, the tower's frame will begin to rise
above street level.

Alongside the Freedom Tower, hardhats have built 121 out of 150 concrete
footings for the World Trade Center Memorial and Museum, with steel
expected to be shipped in later this year to begin raising the memorial to
street level.

The $2 billion transit hub designed by Santiago Calatrava is also under way.

Perhaps the least heralded project at the site is the massive, 80-foot-deep
excavation of the eastern half of the trade center to create a
watertight "bathtub" for three Church Street office towers.

Most of the work began after last year's agreement between Ground Zero
developer Larry Silverstein and the Port Authority, which owns the site. The
bistate agency is in charge of the bulk of the project, with Silverstein
concentrating on three towers.

"We've restored a level of confidence to the rebuilding process and that's
translated to the marketplace," said PA Chairman Anthony Coscia.

He said that the reconstruction project has helped fuel renewed interest in
the downtown office market, where demand for space is booming.

"These buildings will be built and the site will be restored," Coscia told The
Post during a recent interview.

Added together, $16 billion worth of construction will take place on the 16-
acre site, making the World Trade Center the most expensive and most
complicated construction project in a city brimming with tower cranes.

Because so many projects are being squeezed into the site, each one is
linked to the other through shared subterranean structures - from piping to
concourses to underground railroad and subway lines - further complicating
the work.

"It's not an easy project to build," said Coscia, who likened the engineering
effort to building a "subgrade Rubik's Cube."

Construction so far is mostly limited to the western half of the site, inside the
70-foot-deep bathtub that was built to contain the foundations of the Twin
Towers. A second bathtub is being excavated on the eastern half of the site
for Silverstein's towers 2, 3 and 4.

Silverstein, who last year completed World Trade Center 7 just across Vesey
Street from the WTC's main campus, expects to begin construction of his
three towers in 2008.

"You ain't seen nothing yet," Silverstein said.

His design team of 120 architects and engineers has been working at a studio
on the 11th floor of 7 World Trade Center.

"We will hit the ground running when the sites are handed over to us in
January," he said.

One setback for the reconstruction is the fiasco at the Deutsche Bank
Building, which is being taken down by the Lower Manhattan Development
Corp. a block south of the WTC. Two firefighters died battling a blaze inside
the toxic tower last month.

The Port Authority, which will take over the Deutsche Bank site once the
tower is removed, has an agreement to sell it to JPMorgan Chase as a fifth
WTC tower beside a park and new home for St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church.


http://www.nypost.com/seven/09052007/photos/news012.jpg

[CoolCzech]

Great news. But who would have guessed a few years ago that the new World Trade Center would be but one of several developments planned for the city, and not even the greatest? The real action will be in mid-town over the next ten years.

[NYguy]

While we were away, new renderings came out...the tower is now 1,147/1,240 ft


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85146571/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85146642/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85146571/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85146672/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85146570/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85146627/large.jpg

[NYguy]

Photos from wtcrising.com

http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/190/Eastern%20Portion%20of%20WTC%20Site%20(Large)_big.JPG


http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/190/Window%20Washers%20at%207%20WTC%20(photo%20by%20Joe%20Woolhead)%20(Large)_big.JPG


http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/191/IMG_0456%20(Large)_big.JPG


http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/191/IMG_0453%20(Large)_big.JPG

[Dac150]

Very upseting about the decrease in height.

[aluminum]

^^ With 8 feet height reduction in WTC3 but 16 and 28 feet feet height increase in WTC2 and 4, it ain't that bad....:shrug:
But not very good either, they're basically the same height, just a few feet/inches up or down.
(I'm talking about roof heights) And they made this one officially shorter than ESB.........