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M II A II R II K
Apr 28, 2007, 3:16 PM
http://wtc.com/images/popup/img_downloads/enlarged_img/225000-pu.jpg

http://wtc.com/images/popup/img_downloads/enlarged_img/226000-pu.jpg

Mr. Maki’s Tower 4 at 150 Greenwich Street, between Cortlandt and Liberty Streets, is the most understated of the lot, with a sheer curtain wall. The 61-story tower rises for most of its height as a parallelogram and then, nearly 700 feet in the sky, it becomes a trapezoid, reaching an overall height of 946 feet, with no antennas. The upper part of the facade inclines toward the towers to the north and is meant as a unifying gesture.

Jularc
Apr 28, 2007, 4:32 PM
http://www.pbase.com/image/77334126.jpg

sfcity1
Apr 28, 2007, 5:02 PM
This one is pretty good, but I don't like it nearly as good as the others. The best part about this building is that it blocks out the one liberty plaza eyesore, and that says alot.

Kngkyle
Apr 28, 2007, 5:21 PM
Extremely sub-par for the WTC complex.

BrandonJXN
Apr 28, 2007, 7:25 PM
Such a underrated building. NYguy posted these pics:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77331757/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77331770/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77331737/original.jpg

STERNyc
Apr 28, 2007, 7:27 PM
A big, boring box!

Scruffy
Apr 28, 2007, 7:44 PM
yeah but do you realize how fning huge this tower is. This tower looks like it could eat the new goldman sachs tower and still have room left over. check out how it dominates liberty plaza who is in itself very girthy

STERNyc
Apr 28, 2007, 7:47 PM
yeah but do you realize how fning huge this tower is. This tower looks like it could eat the new goldman sachs tower and still have room left over. check out how it dominates liberty plaza who is in itself very girthy

All the more reason why greater thought and effort should have been put into the design.

Dac150
Apr 28, 2007, 7:52 PM
All the more reason why greater thought and effort should have been put into the design.

Well maybe by keeping the building plain will expose the sheer size more. If you add alot of detail that could take the focus of the magnitude. To me thats what the Twins stood for "simple and plain, but elegant and huge". Maybe thats what this tower is representing. May sound like boul shit, but that's the vibe I get when looking at this tower.

Stratosphere
Apr 28, 2007, 8:01 PM
An extremly bland and boring box. I'm stunned by the architect's lack of creativity and sense of style.:maddown:

KevinFromTexas
Apr 28, 2007, 8:12 PM
It's ok, I wish it had a little more zing to it. Compared to the other towers it's boring and seems out of place.

Stephenapolis
Apr 28, 2007, 9:14 PM
This tower would be criticized in just about every city on Earth. So it seems right for it to be criticized in NYC. It is not a terrible design, just a very bland one.

TREPYE
Apr 28, 2007, 9:17 PM
Such a underrated building. NYguy posted these pics:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77331737/original.jpg

The worst 950 foot tower I have ever seen....how BORING.

Thskyscraper
Apr 28, 2007, 9:38 PM
It may not be the best of the New WTC complex, but it's not terrible either. I like it.

CoolCzech
Apr 28, 2007, 9:41 PM
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77331737/original.jpg

In fact, this design is quite elegant and harmoniously proportioned. The quality of the facade will make or break this tower, and I predict that the Japanese penchant for extreme quality in the details will produce what might well turn out to be, artistically, the most admirable tower in the entire WTC.

In comparison, Rogers's tower seems overly detailed and desperate for novelty.

H-man
Apr 28, 2007, 10:12 PM
i like the blandness of this tower it has a quiet elegance, i think anymore "look at me" towers would have overwhelmed the site

CGII
Apr 28, 2007, 11:07 PM
I have a feeling that this will be one of the more interesting of the WTC towers for its simplicity, proportions and its detail. I think you're all cutting it a bit too much scorn.

JMGarcia
Apr 28, 2007, 11:11 PM
As CoolCzech says, the detailing and facade materials will make or break it.

Its nice to see a building that's not too intricate or showy in its massing at the site. It fits better with the FT than either of the other 2 designs do IMO.

BrandonJXN
Apr 28, 2007, 11:11 PM
^I agree. Compared to Tower 3, this has a much more regal and classy design.

Aleks
Apr 28, 2007, 11:13 PM
i dont like it and in my opinion i dojnt think it fits in with the rest of the complex
they need to redesign this tower again in my opinion
way 2 fat!!!

DUBAI2015
Apr 28, 2007, 11:35 PM
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/72105228/original.jpg
In this picture, 4NWTC has the same color of gray as the old WTC.
(Oh Yeah, I'd give this tower 8/10)

BrandonJXN
Apr 28, 2007, 11:45 PM
That picture shows you clearly how huge all 4 buildings are.

KevinFromTexas
Apr 29, 2007, 1:25 AM
I still don't like it. That's too prominant of a location and height for it be that boxy and tame. I'm not really saying the design is bad, but we already have something similar to this with 7WTC. New York has enough bulky twins and look alikes. Please don't think I'm bashing New York, or even this design, I just think something else would be better.

samoen313
Apr 29, 2007, 2:55 AM
as someone said earlier, maki intended the building to reflect the very simple nature of the twin towers as well as to be an elegant but sober reflection on the site where the tower stands. the building is about restraint. while foster's tower has similar respectful qualities, for many of us, it is clear that maki's tower will very easily outshine rogers' tower in its design and product. obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion and there are those out there that feel the site should break new york's tendency to produce very stoic boxes. but, others of us understand the difficulty of approaching a site with such tragic symbolism. for those who think that maki put no thought or creativity in the tower . . . be careful of being an armchair critic in the sense of accusing an architect of designing a cop out building versus something dazzling. no architect simply draws a block and says "voila" in order to go work on something else, there was a clear process and justification for what was done in the design.

BrandonJXN
Apr 29, 2007, 3:00 AM
^ You win the award for best post ever.

NYguy
Apr 29, 2007, 4:39 AM
I still don't like it. That's too prominant of a location and height for it be that boxy and tame.

That location is exactly why it has to be tame and understated. There's enough going on with the three taller WTC towers. I also think it's a nice contrast to Tower 3.

NYguy
Apr 29, 2007, 4:45 AM
This 947 ft giant would have a dominating presence in most places, yet it will
be dwarfed by its neighbors to the north...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77331678/original.jpghttp://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77331692/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77331712/large.jpghttp://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77331722/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77331724/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77331692/original.jpg

NYguy
Apr 29, 2007, 4:53 AM
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66812915/original.jpg

Patrick
Apr 29, 2007, 5:07 AM
Its ok, not as Amazing as the other towers, but it is clearly huge. One Liberty Plaza is a huge building, but it will soon look small in comparison to 150 Greenwich.

NYguy
Apr 29, 2007, 5:10 AM
Its ok, not as Amazing as the other towers, but it is clearly huge.
One Liberty Plaza is a huge building, but it will soon look small in comparison to 150 Greenwich.

Imagine, this tower will be dwarfed by 150 G, which in turn will be dwarfed by 175 and 200 G...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/70156509/medium.jpg_http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/70156511/medium.jpg

knarfor
Apr 29, 2007, 5:13 AM
This is actually my second favorite building at the site. "God is in the details". At least make sure to read about them before passing judgement. For instance, the the facade will feature perforated brushed aluminum spandrels. Sheets of the same material will also be placed on the inside of the upper parts of the windows. The effect should be dramatic, giving the building depth and a warm scintillating inner glow.

There are more design features that make this building really excellent, but I can't think of them right this instant. In any case, it may be "understated" but the design is thoughtful and elegant. Not all buildings have to look like Liberace's wardrobe to be outstanding.

NYguy
Apr 29, 2007, 5:17 AM
In any case, it may be "understated" but the design is thoughtful and elegant. Not all buildings have to look like Liberace's wardrobe to be outstanding.

This building would be right at home on Park Avenue. I think it's classy.

Thefigman
Apr 29, 2007, 1:39 PM
I also like how different this building will look at the different angles.

NYguy
Apr 29, 2007, 4:35 PM
I also like how different this building will look at the different angles.

This will be my favorite angle, the sheer wall...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77331737/original.jpg

NYguy
Apr 29, 2007, 4:40 PM
Another view...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66753715/original.jpg

FerrariEnzo
Apr 29, 2007, 5:48 PM
Not to add to the consensus but this tower lacks everything except a sterile appearance, I do not understand how an accompished architecht like Maki can look at this and be pleased, it is my impression that this may simply be a massing model. Does any one have evidence to support this notion?

NYguy
Apr 29, 2007, 5:53 PM
I do not understand how an accompished architecht like Maki can look at this and be pleased, it is my impression that this may simply be a massing model. Does any one have evidence to support this notion?

Quite the contrary actually...

H-man
Apr 29, 2007, 6:42 PM
Another view...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66753715/original.jpg

this is a bit off topic but looking into the reflection of 7 WTC you can see the pit of ground zero

Adyton
Apr 29, 2007, 6:45 PM
Maki's excellence is in design details, selection of materials, & building craftsmanship. Hopefully, the selection of the brushed AL spandrels and glass curtain wall will be first rate i.e., on a par with SOM-Chicago Adrian Smith's design/selection for the Trump tower currently being built.

I do wish the tower was 1047' tall... in other words with a Trapezoidal glass prizm crown illuminated for the last 100'! I did email him a rendering along with a very carefully worded message.

It will be interesting to see how more detailed renderings will appear when they are released in the next 2-3 weeks? :yes:

NYguy
Apr 29, 2007, 9:16 PM
^ Can't wait for more renderings.

Meanwhile, site prep, slurry wall construction continues for towers 2, 3, and 4...

http://www.pathrestoration.com/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/03/slurrywall03.jpg
pathrestoration.com

KevinFromTexas
Apr 30, 2007, 3:06 AM
I don't know, it may end up growing on me. I love the New York skyline so much and don't want to go sour on it, that's why I hold it the highest level of quality.

When I see it in its context with the other towers it does look ok. And I agree with your statement NYguy, it should be a bit reserved compared to the others. Still, I just sort of thought that's what 7WTC would be doing. Either way, I'm sure I'll end up loving in time.

andrewkfromaz
Apr 30, 2007, 5:33 AM
I find this building very attractive. It's subtle, and makes the rest of the site look overblown.
Long live minimalism.

philip
Apr 30, 2007, 6:05 AM
Design is OK. Looks like WTC 7 with a setback at the top. At least it is very tall, and that makes me happy.:)

-GR2NY-
Apr 30, 2007, 1:23 PM
This is probably been talked about before, but wont the WTC complex be the worlds biggest grouping of 800+ footers?, or something along those lines?

Antares41
Apr 30, 2007, 1:56 PM
I guess I fall in the camp that says you have to judge this building within the context of the complex, in that case a simple yet elegant structure stands-out as being different in light of the complexity and uniqueness of the other three.

Were it by itself I could understand the sentiment that it lacks imagination. Still, this is just a rendering, I reserve judgement once the final building is constructed, until then I remain hopeful.:)

NYguy
Apr 30, 2007, 6:47 PM
I agree with your statement NYguy, it should be a bit reserved compared to the others. Still, I just sort of thought that's what 7WTC would be doing. Either way, I'm sure I'll end up loving in time.

7 WTC is the same to an extent, it won't really stand out on the skyline the way this tower will. We also have tower 5 to contend with, a design we aren't sure of yet.

NYguy
May 1, 2007, 11:59 AM
http://tribecatrib.com/news/newsmay07/silverstein.htm

Silverstein Eyes Progress on His Towers

By Etta Sanders
APRIL 30, 2007

The digital clock, red and glowing, counted down silently to the next deadline: 72 days, 13 hours, 37 minutes to go.

It was 10 a.m. on a recent Thursday and 25 architects, engineers, consultants and project managers were seated around a conference table on the 10th floor of 7 World Trade Center. At one end of the room, tall windows overlooked the World Trade Center site directly below. At the other end of the room stood a blank screen where a team from the architectural firm of Maki and Associates waited to make their monthly presentation to their client, Larry Silverstein.

Silverstein arrived shortly after 10. He took a seat at the front of the table closest to the screen. Behind him sat Mickey Kupperman, an executive with Silverstein Properties and overseer of one of the largest and most high-profile construction projects in the world: the building of three enormous office towers and hundreds of thousands of square feet of retail space. The towers are designed by the renowned architects, Norman Foster, Richard Rogers, and Fumihiko Maki.

At 10:10, Silverstein clapped his hands twice, loudly.

“OK, let’s go,” he said.

The two-hour presentation would be dominated by a single topic, the glass curtain wall of the 974-foot, 61-story Tower 4 that will rise at the corner of Greenwich and Liberty Streets. It is just one of the countless details, large and small, that teams for the three architects will wrestle with in the months leading up to the construction of the giant towers. Here, on an entire floor turned into a design studio, is where the three projects are being developed in tandem in a collaboration that is perhaps unprecedented in scale. “Foster Rogers Maki,” a sign on the glass entrance reads.

On this day, Gary Kamemoto, director of the Maki project, showed images of views from inside and outside Tower 4. Midway through the meeting, Fumihiko Maki, who had flown in from Tokyo, entered the room, taking a seat across from Silverstein.

The presentation prompted regular interruptions from the developer, the push and pull of budget versus aesthetic a recurrent theme.

“I’m concerned about the longevity, the wearability of the surface. It’s totally exposed.” “Do you know what the cost difference will be?” “What is the affect from within? I’d like to see what it looks like standing from within.” “What troubles me is the lack of symmetry,” Silverstein commented about a tall, diagonal element on the building’s front.

“We are taking great care not to have a prosaic office building,“ Kamemoto responded.

After the presentation, the group moved to an outer room where they examined samples of the glass. Silverstein sat facing the Trade Center site and looked through the glass, trying to picture its appearance from inside the new building.

“This would be throughout the tower? One hundred percent from floor to ceiling,” Silverstein said, answering his own question. He pondered a few minutes more. “You know what? A mock-up makes sense,” he said.

“So we can proceed with constructing this almost immediately,” Kamemoto responded.

Despite his sometimes brusque questioning and no-nonsense manner, Silverstein pronounced himself pleased with what he had seen.

“I think things are going very well,” he said, then turned to Maki. “Your associates have done a superb job.” The two white-haired men of about the same age left together for a brief private meeting.

For everyone else, it was time to get back to work.

Roughly 75 to 100 people work out of the studio at one time, including representatives from the three main architectural firms as well as outside engineers. The largest contingent is from Adamson Associates, the architect of record for the entire project. There are a dozen rows of desks aligned into long tables that fill a room which spans an entire block, from Vesey to Barclay Streets. Along more than half that distance is a plain sheetrock wall papered with 3-foot by 5-foot renderings and schematics. Throughout the day reams of schemes and fresh printouts are tacked up around the room for frequent technical meetings.

Each month’s work is punctuated with a presentation to Silverstein on the three buildings.

The Maki meeting on Tower 4 was the last, affording everyone a breather from what some describe as an intense work atmosphere. As each building’s group ramps up for the next presentation, the pressure builds.

“On Wednesday, we were frantic,” said Rich Garlock, a structural engineer on Tower 4. “On Tuesday, Rogers was frantic. It definitely gets crazy.”

A few rows away, Margaret Sedyka, an Adamson architect and one of fewer than 10 women in the room, was puzzling over how stairs, parking and exhaust shafts will come together at grade.

Nearby, engineers Jason Hogle and Adriano Scacchi consulted together on fire protection systems for all the towers.

Towards the back of the room an architect with Foster and partners, Tomasso Fantoni, worked on the building’s intricate slanted, notched top. “Today we are trying to put together the top of Tower 2,” he said. “It’s really a challenging composition.”

While there is a lot of coming and going in the studio (most of the Adamson team shuttles between New York and Toronto; the Foster, Maki and Rogers teams do most of the design work back in their home offices in Tokyo and London), the three teams often collaborate at the 7 WTC studio, where they sit at adjacent tables. “We share the problems and try to resolve them together,” said Fantoni.

And there are no secrets, said Michael Jelliffe, of Foster and Partners. “You can’t be secretive in a place like this,” he said. “Everything goes up on the wall.”

The three buildings, unveiled by Silverstein Properties last September and known as Towers 2, 3 and 4 (the Freedom Tower being Tower 1) will spiral in rising heights from 974 feet to over 1,200 feet, for a total of more than 200 stories. The projects are divided into four phases, ending with the development of construction drawings that will lead to expected groundbreaking for Towers 2 and 3 by early next year.

The clock is now counting down on the design development phase, which ends July 1. It hangs at the front of the room where it is hard for the architects and engineers to ignore as they come and go.

“It’s scary,” said Hogle. “You try not to look at it.”

When the clock hit zero at the end of the second phase of the project on March 31, Grace Shabo, an electrical engineer, said she and about a dozen of her colleagues gathered beneath it, shook hands and “breathed a sigh of relief.”

That relief didn’t last long; the clock was reset a week later. For now, with many days, hours and minutes remaining, Shabo said the stress does not seem so bad.

“But when there’s about two weeks left,” she said, “it starts to tick louder.”

http://tribecatrib.com/photos/news/may07/silv-window.jpg

Following a presentation by Tower 4 architects, Silverstein peers through the proposed glass that would be one of the features of the building.


http://tribecatrib.com/photos/news/may07/silv-lineup.jpg

Twenty-five architects, engineers, and consultants atten a meeting on Tower 4.


http://tribecatrib.com/photos/news/may07/sil_clock.jpg

Clock in the design studio ticks towards the next deadline.


http://tribecatrib.com/photos/news/may07/sil_guys.jpg

Architects and engineers frequently go over plans pinned to a long wall in the 10th floor design studio.


http://tribecatrib.com/photos/news/may07/silv-arms.jpg

An architect working on Tower 2 hangs drawings in preparation for a meeting about commercial space in the building.

Antares41
May 1, 2007, 2:29 PM
I think once the new WTC complex is completed, I am looking forward to one very interesting documentary film on how it all came together; prepare to be amazed!

djvandrake
May 1, 2007, 5:17 PM
That was a great article, and a very interesting glimpse behind the scenes. It's VERY smart of Silverstein to have these firms collaborate like this, and it's amazing that this is such an open environment. I would think firms that are normally competitors would be less forthright with their tools of the trade. I'd say that speaks volumes to the importance of the project, and the attitudes these talented people have in working on it. :)

Scruffy
May 1, 2007, 5:56 PM
OMG, this is fascinating. This whole process should be recorded (by me) and be made into a documentary. I wish.

Lecom
May 1, 2007, 7:57 PM
OMG, this is fascinating. This whole process should be recorded (by me) and be made into a documentary. I wish.
Offer it to them. I'm serious. Write a formal letter to someone up there, and make sure you know how exactly you're gonna do it.

NYguy
May 1, 2007, 8:01 PM
It would be fascinating. Years from now, after the WTC is completed, it will be amazing to look back at the process that created this mega complex...

http://tribecatrib.com/news/newsmay07/silverstein.htm

Silverstein Eyes Progress on His Towers

By Etta Sanders
APRIL 30, 2007

http://tribecatrib.com/photos/news/may07/silv-window.jpg

Following a presentation by Tower 4 architects, Silverstein peers through the proposed glass that would be one of the features of the building.


http://tribecatrib.com/photos/news/may07/silv-lineup.jpg

Twenty-five architects, engineers, and consultants atten a meeting on Tower 4.


http://tribecatrib.com/photos/news/may07/sil_clock.jpg

Clock in the design studio ticks towards the next deadline.


http://tribecatrib.com/photos/news/may07/sil_guys.jpg

Architects and engineers frequently go over plans pinned to a long wall in the 10th floor design studio.


http://tribecatrib.com/photos/news/may07/silv-arms.jpg

An architect working on Tower 2 hangs drawings in preparation for a meeting about commercial space in the building.

You can see from the floor plans just how connected those towers are and the entire complex is with the underground retail...

NYguy
May 1, 2007, 9:13 PM
More renderings from General Relativity
http://general.parameters.cc/?cat=2

http://general.parameters.cc/00_upload/wtc03/04.jpg


http://general.parameters.cc/00_upload/wtc03/06.jpg


http://general.parameters.cc/00_upload/wtc03/03.jpg


http://general.parameters.cc/00_upload/wtc03/01.jpg


http://general.parameters.cc/00_upload/wtc03/02.jpg

NYguy
May 1, 2007, 11:41 PM
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78077888/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78077934/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78077968/large.jpg

Nowhereman1280
May 2, 2007, 12:04 AM
^^^

Thanks NY Guy, I this one a lot more after those latest details that are coming out. I really like the way the base looks.

djvandrake
May 2, 2007, 2:07 AM
Regarding the design of this tower, yeah it might be understated a bit, BUT, I thought the same thing of 7 WTC. Now when I see the completed product and the quality of the facade, I love it. I think this building will have a lot of subtle magic to it. Especially that 947' wall of glass. :)

GVNY
May 2, 2007, 4:09 AM
I love this tower.

NYguy
May 2, 2007, 12:15 PM
^^^

Thanks NY Guy, I this one a lot more after those latest details that are coming out. I really like the way the base looks.


This one seems to be a lot more "inviting" to the public, although the other towers will have retail as well. I like the restaurant that overlooks the memorial.

CoolCzech
May 2, 2007, 11:59 PM
Oh the view from this restaurant, with the sheer glass wall and glass ceiling... it'll be low-elevation competition for the new Windows on the World in the FT.


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78077934/large.jpg

NYguy
May 3, 2007, 2:46 AM
Oh the view from this restaurant, with the sheer glass wall and glass ceiling... it'll be low-elevation competition for the new Windows on the World in the FT.

I think that's more of a gallery, like what you have at 3 WTC. The restaurant itself would overlook the memorial. A "windows on the world" closer to earth. This WTC will have more options than the last. Improvements all around.

laro3
May 3, 2007, 5:30 PM
the height is great but the design is lacking

STERNyc
May 3, 2007, 5:38 PM
Oh the view from this restaurant, with the sheer glass wall and glass ceiling... it'll be low-elevation competition for the new Windows on the World in the FT.


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78077934/large.jpg

Are we sure that's even open to the public? Chances are its a cafeteria for office tenants. I will say that I really like the looks of the base, how it showcases the movement of structure and circulation, only if the tower could capture some of the bases creativity and energy, I'd be happy.

Daquan13
May 3, 2007, 6:56 PM
Looks like ALL of the towers will have one or two restaurants in them - private and public.

I especially would like to have lunch in the one that's planned for the Freedom Tower.

Scruffy
May 3, 2007, 7:54 PM
Offer it to them. I'm serious. Write a formal letter to someone up there, and make sure you know how exactly you're gonna do it.

Yea, but its too late in the game. I have the production company and equipment but it would take a solid month just to set up an appropriate proposal. Too much has happened, I would have loved to get it from the beginning

NYguy
May 3, 2007, 9:46 PM
Are we sure that's even open to the public? Chances are its a cafeteria for office tenants. I will say that I really like the looks of the base, how it showcases the movement of structure and circulation, only if the tower could capture some of the bases creativity and energy, I'd be happy.

That's open to the public. They put the office lobby on the Greenwich Street side to keep the retail front away from the memorial...

http://general.parameters.cc/00_upload/wtc03/03.jpg


http://general.parameters.cc/00_upload/wtc03/06.jpg


Here's the office lobby on Greenwich...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77331770/medium.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77331757/medium.jpg

BrandonJXN
May 3, 2007, 9:47 PM
This is turning into my favorite tower in the new WTC. It shows that you don't have to have too much of anything to build a really great building and Tower 4 proves that.

Lecom
May 3, 2007, 10:01 PM
Yea, but its too late in the game. I have the production company and equipment but it would take a solid month just to set up an appropriate proposal. Too much has happened, I would have loved to get it from the beginning
Go for it anyway. The construction stage is, in many ways, barely beginning, try to jump on that. The worst thing that can happen is they'll reject it - which is what will happen anyway if you don't try at all.

STERNyc
May 3, 2007, 10:09 PM
In my opinion the tower portion is very similar to 535 Madison Avenue, a most unremarkable tower built in midtown in 1982.

http://www.skyscrapers.com/en/wm/bu/sh/?id=101028&txt=535+madison+avenue&button=Search

Among other factors, the level of architectural standards and expectations today, the height and size of this building, and the importance of its location, a rehash of an otherwise insignificant tower from 1982 is unacceptable. Arguably Maki's tower will have a nicer fascade.

CGII
May 3, 2007, 10:32 PM
Eh? Maki's tower is hardly a rehash of that tower...if it's even related to anythnig it's closer to that buildingon Wacker by Helmut Jahn in Chicago...which it really isn't. Come on, the only similarity those two buildings have in common are the chink in the corner, which isn't even the same as 535 Madison.

STERNyc
May 3, 2007, 11:24 PM
"In my opinion"

NYguy
May 4, 2007, 12:22 PM
I think these two make a nice couple. Opposites attract...:)

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66546859/original.jpg

MolsonExport
May 4, 2007, 1:21 PM
http://coptalk.blogspot.com/uploaded_images/yawn-715813.jpg

NYguy
May 5, 2007, 12:04 PM
A composite of the new WTC...even Freedom is looking great...

http://a1692.g.akamai.net/f/1692/2042/7d/nucnuc.blog.lemonde.fr/files/new_wtc.jpg
http://nucnuc.blog.lemonde.fr/2006/09/

cur_sed
May 5, 2007, 2:30 PM
I think these two make a nice couple. Opposites attract...:)

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66546859/original.jpg

damn - look at the top 4 floors of Maki there - reckon there's really gonna be a clear 4 storeys of space at the top there? Or is that likely to end up as mechanical floors?

NYguy
May 5, 2007, 8:26 PM
^ Like the other towers, it hides mechanical space.


wtc.com

150 GREENWICH STREET[
MAKI AND ASSOCIATES
ARCHITECTURAL FACT SHEET - SEPTEMBER 2006

SITE INFORMATION
150 Greenwich Street (Tower 4) is located on the site bounded by Greenwich Street to the west, Church Street to the east, Cortlandt Street to the north and Liberty Street to the south. The tower directly faces the Memorial Park to the west.

PROGRAM
150 Greenwich Street, a 61-story tower, will be the fourth tallest skyscraper on the World Trade Center site at 947 ft from street level. With offices beginning at 139 ft above street level, the building will include 53 office floors that total 1.8 million sq ft. Two thirds of the office space will be occupied by the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey and City of New York, and the rest will be retained by Silverstein Properties for commercial tenants.

The podium of the building consists of the ground floor as well as three additional levels above grade and two floors below grade that are dedicated for retail use - a total of 146,000 sq ft (of which 89,000 sq ft is at or above street level). The project provides access to the transportation and retail concourse below grade connected to the central PATH terminal.

The tower portion accommodates office spaces in two distinctly shaped floor plates. The low and mid-rise sections on floors 7 through 44 provide a typical floor plate size of 36,350 sq ft in the shape of a parallelogram echoing the configuration of the site. These are served by three elevator banks with eight cars each. The high-rise section from floors 46 to 60 provides a floor plate size of 28,000 sq ft in the shape of a trapezoid, shaped and fluted to open toward the tip of Manhattan and triangulated from the lower floors to face the Freedom Tower. These are served by two elevator banks with eight and six cars respectively. Both office floor plans contain a central core with a 45-foot lease span on the west side facing the Memorial, 40-foot span on the north and south and a 35-foot span on the east side. The tower will also include five levels of mechanical floors.

DESIGN CONCEPT
The fundamental approach to 150 Greenwich Street, designed by Maki and Associates, is two-fold - a "minimalist" tower that achieves an appropriate presence, quiet with dignity, on a site facing the Memorial and a "podium" that becomes a catalyst in activating and enlivening the immediate urban environment as part of the redevelopment efforts of Downtown New York.

The facades are clad in floor to ceiling windows that sandwich perforated meshed metal material at the spandrel areas and portions immediately below the ceiling to provide shading on the interior and a certain lightness and transparency on the exterior. The tower embraces an abstract quality - minimal, light, cool in color and ephemeral, changing with the light of day. Seen from a distance, the tower presents a unique angular profile at the crown acknowledging the spiral composition formed by the group of four towers, in keeping with the World Trade Center Master Plan.

The two obtuse edges of the tower on the southwest and northeast corners are articulated with dramatic indentations to appear slender and sharp. Inside, a single edge forms two offices with a window from the open office to allow for uninterrupted views at the corner tip of the floor.

The office lobby, with a 47-foot ceiling height, faces Greenwich Street with three entrances - on Cortland, Liberty and Greenwich Streets. The formal composition is symmetrical and the lobby itself offers panoramic views of the Memorial Park. Facing Church Street is an 85-foot atrium offering a new dynamic urban experience by amalgamating the Transit Hall and retail into a single, identifiable whole featuring multiple cascading floors that will enliven the street and become a symbolic feature of a revitalized World Trade Center. The atrium space weaves its way into the base of the tower to provide retail space and perhaps a restaurant that faces the Memorial Park.

The four corners of the building site are all at varying topographical elevations resulting in a 13-foot level difference from the high point on the corner of Church and Cortlandt Streets to the lowest point on the corner of Greenwich and Liberty Streets diagonally across. As a result, the street fronts at ground level on all four sides are on an incline and the interior levels are required to mitigate the level differences to achieve comfortable entry points as well as harmonious spatial relationships with the surrounding pedestrian environment.

The podium of the building from floors 1 to 3 are designed in response to the variety of characters inherent in each of the streets and to further enrich the pedestrian experience. The building is set back from all corners, creating an expanded public area along the sidewalk in the form of a small entry plaza. Each corner is provided with an entrance to either the office lobby or access to retail and the Transit Hall.

BUILDING SYSTEMS
Among many building enhancements, the tower has a reinforced concrete core and columns with steel girders and beams. Safety systems exceed New York City building code and Port Authority requirements. Designed to the highest energy efficiency ratings, 150 Greenwich Street will seek to achieve the gold standard under the Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) by the US Green Building Council.

PROJECT SCHEDULE
150 Greenwich Street is expected to be completed by 2011 - or four years after the site is made available to Silverstein Properties.

NYguy
May 5, 2007, 8:49 PM
damn - look at the top 4 floors of Maki there - reckon there's really gonna be a clear 4 storeys of space at the top there? Or is that likely to end up as mechanical floors?


You get a better idea how it hides mechanical space here:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78263233/original.jpg


The same from Tower 3:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78263249/original.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78263254/original.jpg

antinimby
May 6, 2007, 1:14 AM
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78263233/original.jpgI didn't know the top of Maki's tower was pointy.

CoolCzech
May 6, 2007, 1:54 AM
That's the pointy profile of 2 WTC behind the shorter profile of 3 WTC. Maki's 4 WTC is in the bottom half of this picture as the light colored structure - emphasizing just how much larger 2 and 3 WTC's are than the quite huge 4 WTC. The New World Trade Center is indeed a big project.

antinimby
May 6, 2007, 2:33 AM
Thanks. Now I just feel stupid. :blush:

I guess it was just wishful thinking on my part that Maki's tower wouldn't be entirely flat-topped.

NYguy
May 6, 2007, 5:32 AM
Thanks. Now I just feel stupid. :blush:

LOL

NYguy
May 6, 2007, 5:33 AM
Maki's 4 WTC is in the bottom half of this picture as the light colored structure - emphasizing just how much larger 2 and 3 WTC's are than the quite huge 4 WTC. The New World Trade Center is indeed a big project.

Yeah, Tower 4 would be huge in most places. But it looks "puny" by WTC standards...maybe Silverstein should beg for another half million square feet for that tower...:)

NYguy
May 14, 2007, 11:20 PM
pathrestoration.com

http://www.pathrestoration.com/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/04/slurrywall01.jpg


http://www.pathrestoration.com/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/04/slurrywall04.jpg

Thskyscraper
May 14, 2007, 11:28 PM
Wow, seems to be moving along well.

NYguy
May 14, 2007, 11:31 PM
Wow, seems to be moving along well.

Yeah, they've got another 6 to 7 months to finish work in that "tub" so Silverstein can start building.

NYguy
Jun 5, 2007, 8:45 PM
Missed this update...
http://www.lowermanhattan.info/news/east_bathtub_construction_ahead_74846.aspx

East Bathtub Construction Ahead of Schedule

http://www.lowermanhattan.info/images/news/052407_slurrywall_160.jpg

Workers prepare steel for slurry wall panels

May 24, 2007

Port Authority crews are making steady progress building the World Trade Center site's east bathtub. Finishing two weeks ahead of schedule, crews have now completed installation of the new slurry wall at the southeast section of the bathtub (along Liberty and Church Streets up to Cortlandt Street). Workers are now mobilizing at the northeast corner of the bathtub, where 30 steel-and-concrete slurry wall panels will be installed over the next several months.

Construction of the east bathtub is part of the foundation preparation needed for towers two, three, and four to be built.

aluminum
Jun 6, 2007, 8:30 PM
I still don't like it. That's too prominant of a location and height for it be that boxy and tame. I'm not really saying the design is bad, but we already have something similar to this with 7WTC. New York has enough bulky twins and look alikes. Please don't think I'm bashing New York, or even this design, I just think something else would be better.

You read my mind, New York already has a lot of flat tops. Maybe a circular or curvy top would've been better especially in lower Manhattan area, where most tall buildings have pointy tops.

Atlriser
Jun 7, 2007, 4:20 PM
^^ I 2nd that! People tend to want everything to be grandiose and extravagant on the boards lots of time just for being grandiose or extravagant with no real substance. I think the tower is quite elegant and regal in it's simplicity and think it will be absolutely stunning when completed.

aluminum
Jun 7, 2007, 8:49 PM
^^ I didn't mean to say that this building looks absolutely bad.
It does have a nice design and will clearly show up in lower Manhattan view from statue of liberty cuz its pretty tall also. It also looks good standing besides taller towers as height gradually decreases from WTC1 > WTC2 > WTC3 > WTC4

NYguy
Jun 8, 2007, 12:01 AM
People tend to want everything to be grandiose
and extravagant on the boards lots of time just for being grandiose or
extravagant with no real substance. I think the tower is quite elegant and
regal in it's simplicity and think it will be absolutely stunning when completed.

It will look nice. Also, tower 5's presence will also enhance the complex.
We've yet to get the full WTC picture...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/72105228/large.jpg


This tower will also look great accross the memorial plaza...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66466720/original.jpg

aluminum
Jun 8, 2007, 12:17 AM
^^ Wow 2nd image is really nice view of the foot of towers...Thanks for images.

GFSNYC
Jun 8, 2007, 3:32 AM
Will 4WTC have that Silvery glass from the top image, or blue from the bottom? From the looks of it, Foster's WTC2 will fade from bottom to top (very cool), 3WTC will definately be blue ala 1 Beacon court (a distant cousin), 7WTC is blue but very reflective... which I imagine will be similar to WTC1. This leaves 4.... Silver, someting resembling the BoA?

NYguy
Jun 9, 2007, 12:21 AM
Will 4WTC have that Silvery glass from the top image, or blue from the bottom?

I don't think about any of the colors in that top rendering are accurate.

NYguy
Aug 24, 2007, 12:00 PM
Slurry wall...

http://www.pathrestoration.com/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/07/slurrywallS04.jpg
Port Authority


http://www.pathrestoration.com/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/07/slurrywallS03.jpg
Port Authority


http://www.pathrestoration.com/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/07/slurrywallS02.jpg
Port Authority

Stephenapolis
Aug 24, 2007, 6:16 PM
This seems to be moving along nicely.

NYguy
Aug 25, 2007, 11:44 AM
This seems to be moving along nicely.

That's because there have been no major mishaps in building the extended "tub". This is reportedly a little ahead of schedule, so I guess its a case where "no" news is "good" news.

NYguy
Sep 10, 2007, 11:56 PM
The height of this monster has been increased to 975 ft.


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85146526/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85146452/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85146481/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85146504/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85146546/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85401615/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85401590/original.jpg

aluminum
Sep 11, 2007, 1:28 AM
^^^ Just 25 feet from being a 1000 footer, so close to being a super tall just like Comcast centre. Is 975' a very special number ?

Stephenapolis
Sep 11, 2007, 5:15 AM
This tower finally looks nice to me, not that it is taller. The others just made it look too short. Now it looks tall, as it should.

antinimby
Sep 11, 2007, 5:26 AM
What a shame this one grew. It should've shrank and the bulk transferred to either the Foster or Rogers tower instead.

NYguy
Sep 11, 2007, 11:36 AM
This tower finally looks nice to me, not that it is taller.
The others just made it look too short. Now it looks tall, as it should.


It's very bulky, yet contains "only" 1.8 msf of office space. It would be very
imposing in most places, but being so/close to tower 3, the building needed
to be exactly what it is - not too dramatic, but very understated and
pleasing to the eye. The public parts of the building (the shops, the
restaurant overlooking the memorial) also make this one nicer than most
typical office buildngs...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85401615/original.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85401625/original.jpg