Cybernations SSP alliance

[pottebaum]

^I could probably send you guys a little aid. I'm not sure if I'd need approval from my alliance, tho.

[Suburban Lou]

I can be the middle man, what do I need to do?

[pottebaum]

First off, how much money do you need? I'll certainly try to be useful, but there's only so much I can give. Would $200,000 do much good?

Also, is this war exclusively against Chachaland, or are there other nations/alliances involved?

[Attrill]

I'm only on my second day as well, but I can certainly help with buying tech - just send me some cash to buy it and let me know who needs the tech.

Country: Mekontia
Leader: Gurge

[BroncoCSU05]

suburban lou, what's your nation's name?

[Suburban Lou]

Knittelberg
http://cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=112746

[BroncoCSU05]

attril, wong21fr, check your PMs. suburban lou...i think you're bigger than me so this trade wouldn't benefit you as much. maybe you can partner with attril and wong21fr as well so they can buy you some tech and give it back to you to help out.

[BroncoCSU05]

First off, how much money do you need? I'll certainly try to be useful, but there's only so much I can give. Would $200,000 do much good?

Also, is this war exclusively against Chachaland, or are there other nations/alliances involved?

i think this nation is rougue and no alliance is involved. holy shit...200k??? that's an ass ton of money. how big are ya anyway???

[JJC50]

this is hilarious. like fighting Iran now it's spiraled

wow chachaland has
1,285 soldiers
8 tanks
11 aircraft
18 cruise missiles

damn

once my buddy gives me his money transfusion I could help, but that probably won't happen for a week.

[pottebaum]

nation name: New Boniventure

I pull in around 200,000 a day; plus I just lucked out and got TONS of development aid from a guy in my alliance.

[Cirrus]

Sorry folks. I've been out in the field for work today and unavailable at the computer.

There *is* a way to check to see if he's getting foreign aid, and he is NOT, unless it's secret. The most likely explanation is that he made a donation and/or had a lot of cash saved up. Is anyone able to read his cash reserves on the battle screen?

He remains just barely under my strength to attack, so I still cannot join directly. However, I have $3,000,000 in reserve that I can begin distributing as soon an aid slot opens (tomorrow, I think). I doubt he can match that.

I have to run to a meeting. Will check up again ASAP.

[BroncoCSU05]

maybe he donated the full $20. well, so did i since this is a new calendar month. i'm now a lot "bigger" as a result. i also think i took some hits to him to make him 300 nation strength weaker, so yeah, he's out of cirrus' range right now, which makes him the only nation in MAD who's out of his range. hopefully we really take it to this bastard tomorrow now that i got my donation benefits kicked in :)

[Matt]

BnaBreaker,

I sent you some financial aid to help your nation recover. Let me know if New Niagara can be of further help!

[BroncoCSU05]

^ help us by waging some good ol fasioned WAR!!! i just took out 20 more of his infra and killed one of his fighter craft. we should make sure this guy has 0 infra by the time we're finished with him.

[wong21fr]

I'm carrying a large military so when I am actually allowed to go to war I can smash him, hopefully crushing him and also ridding myself of the 60 or so tanks that are crunching my budget.

Which will be tomorrow.

[BroncoCSU05]

BNA: I've upped the deal for your nation. Look in your PM's and follow the instructions for the trade between meltyman and me. I'm sending meltyman a good bit o' money to buy some tech along with soldiers. he's gonna send the tech, soldiers and some cash to you and you send me the tech you get and keep the soldiers and cash to help your nation out against this bitch.


check your PMs, hopefully we get this done tonight before chachaland attacks again tomorrow, that way we'll be a lot stronger as a whole

[BnaBreaker]

Bronco and Matt, thanks a million for your aid offers. If I survive this I assure you that it will be repayed in time.

Bronco, I don't have an offer in my aid box from you or Meltyman yet. Has Meltyman just not had a chance to look at it yet, or is there something wrong with something on my end?

EDIT: Scratch that, it just showed up in my inbox.

[Cirrus]

FYI, in case people don't know: You can only have 4 aid deals at a single time, and they last 10 days before they expire.

[BroncoCSU05]

Bronco and Matt, thanks a million for your aid offers. If I survive this I assure you that it will be repayed in time.

Bronco, I don't have an offer in my aid box from you or Meltyman yet. Has Meltyman just not had a chance to look at it yet, or is there something wrong with something on my end?



bna...hopefully you haven't filled up your aid slots yet. melty just NOW accepted my aid package. he's currently buying tech and should send it your way along with some cash and soliders. send me the tech when you get it and i'll be sure to pummel this guys' ass tomorrow. the $$ and soliders you keep as means of helping your nation out.

[wong21fr]

Yeah, in the rush to shore up guys for the war against Chachaland I burnt through my allocated aid deals. It's gonna be nine days before I can provide/receive more aid.

Sucks.

[BnaBreaker]

WHOA WHOA WHOA....I recieved the aid, but I tried to send you the tech Bronco and I got this message:

"You cannot offer any new aid agreements because you have already offered or are involved in in 4 other foreign aid agreements within the past 10 days. This includes foreign aid offers that you have received as well as foreign aid offers that you have sent."

I'm not really sure what do do now...regardless, rest assured you will get the 10 tech that MeltyMan sent to me...but is there another way I can send it to you now?

My bad...I didn't realize that I was only allowed four foreign aid slots. The offer from MeltyMan was my fourth offer I guess.

[Matt]

Yeah, in the rush to shore up guys for the war against Chachaland I burnt through my allocated aid deals. It's gonna be nine days before I can provide/receive more aid.

Sucks.


^ I'm sure you can provide effective military support. That always seemed to be your "forte", anyway...

[Matty]

I can buy tech at 18k or 19k per level. I'd be willing to help anyone out with buying tech so I can get a little money back to recoup my losses.

I'd help fight but I've got not money and almost no army to do it with. I'd simply be squashed. I'm now at peace with Chachaland.

**Note: I have 3 aid slots open.

[BnaBreaker]

LOL Oh Lord, I just got a message from this asshole crying about how he was going to report me to administration because I used the word "shit" in a message response to him. I can't believe the kid is trying to play the victim. :haha:

[BroncoCSU05]

^ bna...keep the 10 tech for now and give it to me in 10 days, mmmkay? provided that you don't get banned from the game now, lol.

i'm sure you won't.

[Cirrus]

I have confirmed from three different sources that secret aid agreements are not possible, which means the only explanation for his surge was a donation.

... Which means he wasted $20, because we're still plenty strong enough to crush him.

[BroncoCSU05]

^ awesome. i spent $20 to make sure i give him a firm ass-whooping tomorrow.


How does one check to see whom gave whom aid???

[BroncoCSU05]

FYI PEOPLES ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN WAR:


His stats are the following:

2/1/2007 5:09:50 PM 1,715.65
61.27

[Team: Yellow]

270.00

160.93

32.52



so he's got 32 tech and 160 infra right now along with 1,000 troops. if all goes well, we can pummel this guy with cruise missles, air attacks and ground attacks and hopefully put him right back into 60 infra and a draft situation once again, thus ruining his $20 he spent in a matter of 2 days.


boy i'm looking foward to tomorrow :D

[Attrill]

I just got attacked by this guy:

Country: Beaner Empire
Ruler: Mkiller1

Can anyone offer and assistance or advice? This is the start of my third day and first attack - should I just buy a bunch of soldiers?

[Cirrus]

Brickell: Check your in-game email.

We'd like you to stand down and declare peace so a stronger nation can take your place. Keep attacking until he accepts the peace, though. Hopefully he's not smart enough to realize what's going on.

[Cirrus]

Attrill: The guy who attacked you is in an alliance that's more powerful than we are. He most likely did it without approval. Buy soldiers to defend yourself, but don't counter attack.

I will try for a diplomatic solution to this one.

A general note on wars:
Wars are very common among very young nations, because people join the game just to start up shit. Those people generally learn their lesson quickly after either attacking the wrong person and getting plastered or joining an alliance and being reigned in. Those who don't learn the lesson are generally destroyed. People are being attacked a lot simply because you're new and other new people tend to start wars, but once you age a bit things generally become more peaceful... unless you get involved in an alliance-on-alliance war, but those are pretty rare, and generally not that difficult to stay out of.

[Cirrus]

whom gave whom aid?Click "Foreign Aid Offers Across the Globe", which is under "World Menu" on the left side of the screen, then search for the nation or ruler's name.

He received a little bit of aid about two weeks ago, but nothing significant.

[Attrill]

Thanks!

Wil do

[BroncoCSU05]

^ i'd throw some $$ your way for soldiers if we didn't already have an exchange....shit.


cirrus...think this chachaland is really a member of the Federation of Armed Nations or think he's just hiding behind that moniker?

[BnaBreaker]

^ bna...keep the 10 tech for now and give it to me in 10 days, mmmkay? provided that you don't get banned from the game now, lol.

i'm sure you won't.

Most definitely buddy, and if I can i'll try to add a little extra into it because of my gaffe. In the mean time though, i'm using it to buy tanks I wouldn't ordinarily be able to buy due to my tech level. ;)

[Attrill]

^ i'd throw some $$ your way for soldiers if we didn't already have an exchange....shit.


Thanks - the money from the tech transfer saved my ass. It gave me more than enough to bulk up my military (I had $30 before that). I had 24 soldiers and he took out 14 and grabbed a few hundred dollars. I may have overreacted by getting 96 soldiers (I've pissed off my citizens - I had a 12.5 happiness before this happened). I just wish we could go after the guy :hell:

[BnaBreaker]

Thanks - the money from the tech transfer saved my ass. It gave me more than enough to bulk up my military (I had $30 before that). I had 24 soldiers and he took out 14 and grabbed a few hundred dollars. I may have overreacted by getting 96 soldiers (I've pissed off my citizens - I had a 12.5 happiness before this happened). I just wish we could go after the guy :hell:


If I can ever get this chacha guy off my back i'll try to help you out.

[Dr Nevergold]

I guess my new nation is barely working, I have so much debt due to infrastructure and my nation is rioting. Guess I should have kept the 3 soldiers instead of deploying then dismissing them.

If you guys are confused, I'm Vanumbria.

[Cirrus]

On the distribution of aid

The outpouring of aid between nations recently has been tremendous, and is testament to the generosity and teammanship of MAD.

However, it has been disorganized and inefficient, and has taught us a lesson about the value of structured alliance banking.

MAD is currently in possession of a large sum of money which will be distributed to all current alliance members. Those involved in the war effort will receive a larger chunk than those which are not, but all nations will receive significant monetary aid. In order to coordinate this effort I need to know the availability situation of everyone’s aid slots. How many are spoken for and how many are available? The faster I receive that information, the faster aid will be allocated.

[BnaBreaker]

On the distribution of aid

The outpouring of aid between nations recently has been tremendous, and is testament to the generosity and teammanship of MAD.

However, it has been disorganized and inefficient, and has taught us a lesson about the value of structured alliance banking.

MAD is currently in possession of a large sum of money which will be distributed to all current alliance members. Those involved in the war effort will receive a larger chunk than those which are not, but all nations will receive significant monetary aid. In order to coordinate this effort I need to know the availability situation of everyone’s aid slots. How many are spoken for and how many are available? The faster I receive that information, the faster aid will be allocated.



Unfortunately I will not have any slots open until the 10th of March. Other member nations have been very generous to me. You can give my portion to Bronco and his nation of Stripperstan, due to the fact that I am not able, for the time being, to send him the 10 technology levels I was responsible for as a result of the aid inefficiency.

PS: Chachaland is now a member of The Federation of Armed Nations. Perhaps a diplomatic solution with some of his higher ups (because he clearly does not appear capable of civility) is in order?

[Cirrus]

Do not send aid to superflymike of San Severo.

He has started three wars against nations uninvolved in the current conflict and believed to be innocent, one of which is a member of a large alliance with over 350 members. If this alliance retaliates against MAD as a whole for superflymike's actions, we will not stand a chance. Superflymike is in violation of Charter section 2.1.1. His actions cannot be supported by the alliance, and he will not be defended if his victims fight back.

Superflymike: If you have an explanation, send me an email in-game ASAP. Rogue aggression and membership in MAD are mutually exclusive.

[Cirrus]

Ugh. All right. I'll contact FAN.

[Clevelumbus]

I have three aid slots available..

Clevelumbus of Grand Lac
(http://cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=113201)
BTW: Anyone want to trade? I need at least one of the following: Coal, Aluminum, Rubber, Fish

I have Marble and Lead

[Matt]

^It looks like the Federation of Armed Nations has over 600 members and possesses nuclear weapons.

Cirrus: We need a forum on the MAD page that only MAD members can access via password protection!!! This SSP thread is getting old real quick and *anyone* and *everyone* can read it.

[Clevelumbus]

Has anyone seen any ill effects with increasing your taxes to 28% when collecting your taxes and then changing it back?

[JJC50]

wow, chachland has an alliance now? lol

anyhow, i have all my sluts open

[Cirrus]

Yes. FAN is one of the very largest alliances in the game, and also one of the most aggressive. It is also part of the Initiative, an alliance of alliances that is the dominant power bloc in the cyberworld. There is no one anywhere in the position to win a war against FAN. Luckily, most alliances don't honor wars applicants were in before joining, and the FAN charter provides some specific hope for a diplomatic solution.

Clevelumbus: There are no ill effects, but also no bonuses. Your population happiness is "officially" calculated only when you collect taxes. The only thing you accomplish by changing it as you describe is creating busy work for yourself.

[Clevelumbus]

Thank you, and with that, do you know the maximum happiness level?

[Cirrus]

There isn't one.

[BnaBreaker]

QUESTION: Is there a way in-game that you can make notes to yourself or write a log of events/plans out? I'm a pretty forgetful person and it would be helpful.

[BnaBreaker]

anyhow, i have all my sluts open

I know where i'm spending my Spring Break!

[Suburban Lou]

He only has 41 Soldiers now.

[TheMeltyMan]

I ended up with a military surplus trying to broker a deal to get soldiers to Bna and the game got all buggy and had a 500 cap, dumping me with a 3 to 1 soldier citizen ratio and a pissed off populous. I just exterminated some of them. Threw them out to sea to die, but not all of them, because apparently if too many disappear my nation goes into temporary anarchy. Just my luck. noob problems.

[Clevelumbus]

I sent some troops to Knittleberg and Stripperstan to help fight Chachaland.

[Suburban Lou]

^ Thanks!:D

[Attrill]

I have a couple of aid slots open - and $500 in the bank :shrug: If it wasn't for being a middleman for a tech trade earlier today I'd be toast.

I'm still at war with Beaner Empire (a member of Libertarian Socialist Federation) but didn't fare too badly with only 24 troops yesterday (lost 14 troops and some cash). I offered peace, but no response so far.

I'm trying to get trades going for wheat and water, my citizens need beer badly :cheers: I guess it's a weiss beer you get?

[wong21fr]

So, I probably should hang off declaring war on Chachaland until the diplomatic mess is sorted out?

I definitely don't want to be the guy who brings the 800-lb gorilla down on MAD.

[JManc]

my nation is 'italo'

[Cirrus]

Is there a way in-game that you can make notes to yourself or write a log of events/plans out? I'm a pretty forgetful person and it would be helpful.No.

[Cirrus]

Knittelberg: Your country currently has three aid slots open. I want to arrange for you to receive a large sum of aid and then have you forward half of it to Mekontia.

Will you do this?

[BroncoCSU05]

haha, the guy is down to 8 soldiers and now 76 infra.



why hasn't this guy declared peace with bna yet?

[wong21fr]

So, if I declare war now will that bring the FAN into our little concflict? Or can I go ahead and give him a cruise missile enema followed by a cleansing armored division thrust? Cirrus, would you know?

Oh, I can receive age packages beginning in eight days.

[Cirrus]

You can't declare war on him anyway. The game will only allow up to three nations to declare on a single opponent at one time, and we are already maxed out.

I am waiting to hear back from the FAN ambassador.

[wong21fr]

Damn, wish I had known that information before I built up my forces.

Matt's got a good idea about a private forum, though I don't know how many FIO's we have monitoring this site to gather intel.

[BnaBreaker]

haha, the guy is down to 8 soldiers and now 76 infra.



why hasn't this guy declared peace with bna yet?

Good question. I think he's just stubborn. He started this senseless crap, so he'll likely have to be the one to end it. With you guys behind me though this could go on, back and forth, forever.

[Suburban Lou]

Knittelberg: Your country currently has three aid slots open. I want to arrange for you to receive a large sum of aid and then have you forward half of it to Mekontia.

Will you do this?\

yes

[BnaBreaker]

I've grown tired of his (chachaland) antics, and have decided to give him a chance to step up and end this.

If you can, hold off on attacking him until I get a response from him.

I'll let you guys know his response.

Thanks again for the support.

[BroncoCSU05]

i've been holding off on attacking today because, quite frankly, it wouldn't be worth it. he's got 8 soldiers and $8.17 to his nation's name right now. i'm hoping somehow he gets money, sells off infra for $$ and builds up his army a bit again so i can anhilliate it. i've got 1300 soldiers and 15 tanks waiting on standby to kick his ass.

it was fun taking out his last 5 tanks and 18 infra with some cruise missles today tho


and i like how he had 2 bombing raids on me today, of which destroyed 0 infra and resulted in him loosing a bomber. sucks i sustained all that infra damage yesterday when he was kicking my ass though. his cruise missles were still effective tho...i lost a good 15 infra today on top of what i lost yesterday.

[Cirrus]

Cruise missiles will still be effective in destroying his infrastructure, also there is a possibility that your ground forces will raid his technology if you continue attacks.

Air raids are most likely not worth it... Although they're free once you've built your air force, so may as well.

[JManc]

i just joined the alliance...give me nukes, TV's and coffee now. I'm representin' Italo.

[Cirrus]

Don't forget to send me a message agreeing to the Charter's terms. You're not "in" until you do.

[BnaBreaker]

Cruise missiles will still be effective in destroying his infrastructure, also there is a possibility that your ground forces will raid his technology if you continue attacks.

Air raids are most likely not worth it... Although they're free once you've built your air force, so may as well.

I requested that all involved militarily in the war cease fire for one day to give chachaland a chance to respond to my request to him to call of his attacks.

Would you recommend that we continue attacking regardless? I'd like to know what you think.

RELATED QUESTION: I see that the war with chachaland expires on 3/4. Can you simply continue warring (in other words, could he simply attack again) in a new war immedeately after the old one expired? Because if so, I can see the benefits of at least attempting peace. If he is automatically unable to attack any of us after 3/4 though, I can see the advantages of continuing the attack and looting him.

Your thoughts?

[JManc]

Don't forget to send me a message agreeing to the Charter's terms. You're not "in" until you do.

i did. last entry on that blogger site.

[Cirrus]

After the war expires your nation strengths are re-compared and if you don't fall within the correct range anymore then you can't go to war again. I believe you can go to war again if you are still in range.

Also, he may not respond. In your "sent messages" folder you can tell if a message has been read if the little envelope next to it is missing. That is, if the envelope graphic is there, then the message has not yet been read, while if the envelope graphic is missing, then the message has been read. If the envelope goes missing and he hasn't accepted your peace offer, then you have your answer.

[Suburban Lou]

Knittelberg: Your country currently has three aid slots open. I want to arrange for you to receive a large sum of aid and then have you forward half of it to Mekontia.

Will you do this?

Is this still on?

[Clevelumbus]

Does anyone want Lead & Marble?

All I want is aluminum and whatever (although coal would be nice)

It's kind of rough since trading is pretty much at a standstill.

[Attrill]

I just sent you a trade offer with aluminum

[BnaBreaker]

After the war expires your nation strengths are re-compared and if you don't fall within the correct range anymore then you can't go to war again. I believe you can go to war again if you are still in range.

Also, he may not respond. In your "sent messages" folder you can tell if a message has been read if the little envelope next to it is missing. That is, if the envelope graphic is there, then the message has not yet been read, while if the envelope graphic is missing, then the message has been read. If the envelope goes missing and he hasn't accepted your peace offer, then you have your answer.

Thanks. I'll keep an eye out for that.

[Clevelumbus]

Cool, thanks Gurge!

[BroncoCSU05]

can i attack him yet?? tell me he looked at your note and didn't respont. i want to loot some tech!!

[Clevelumbus]

Does anyone know if: (This high tax rate angers your citizens.) next to your tax rate is necessarily bad, because I can pull in a higher average tax paid offsetting the drop in happiness.

[BroncoCSU05]

^ do what's best for you to get the most money. that's the bottom line. if it's 28%, your citizens aren't going to exactly go into anarchy as a result. you'll get more $$.

[Cirrus]

Is this still on?Should be, but your benefactor hasn't logged on since I got confirmation from both of you.

Does anyone know if: (This high tax rate angers your citizens.) next to your tax rate is necessarily bad, because I can pull in a higher average tax paid offsetting the drop in happiness.When you're as young as your nation is, a lower tax rate will probably be more efficient. Only way to know is to test. But the message about your citizens being angry isn't a big deal.

[BroncoCSU05]

cirrus...what's the best method of looting tech? an aggressive attack?

[Cirrus]

I don't know. Sounds like a good research project for you. :)

Ask in the CN forums, maybe.

[BroncoCSU05]

BNA: awaiting your approval to perform some looting experiments :)

[BnaBreaker]

BNA: awaiting your approval to perform some looting experiments :)

LOL! Well...I have noticed a pattern that chachaland logs on about once everyday from between 4AM and 6AM. I was going to give him one day, and commence with the attack if he failed to respond by that time.

However, as I rethink this, I am realizing that tomorrow is the last day for this war (unless he chooses to start another one after the current one expires). Plus, it has been seven hours since I sent him the initial message.

I've changed my mind. I know, flip-flopper. lol

Commence the attacks on chachaland as you see fit.

[BroncoCSU05]

^ his last login shows once a day between 4am and 6am, but yesterday, he definetly made changes to alliance, number of troops, etc after the time it showed him last logged in as. wether or not he's read your msg is a different story...

[BnaBreaker]

^ his last login shows once a day between 4am and 6am, but yesterday, he definetly made changes to alliance, number of troops, etc after the time it showed him last logged in as. wether or not he's read your msg is a different story...

He hasn't read my message, but I say, fuck it! Let's go get some tech! :)

[BroncoCSU05]

well, looting his country with 1300 soldiers and 15 tanks to his 8 soldiers and 8 cruise missles provided to be a failure. i gained no land, no tech, no infra and only $.65 while losing 30 soldiers and 6 tanks. he has $5.55 left in the bank.

[BnaBreaker]

well, looting his country with 1300 soldiers and 15 tanks to his 8 soldiers and 8 cruise missles provided to be a failure. i gained no land, no tech, no infra and only $.65 while losing 30 soldiers and 6 tanks. he has $5.55 left in the bank.

He also now has -1 troops and thus, a 0% chance of victory, so we can no longer attack him.

That's really weird, I wonder how you successfully loot a country? It would seem that 1300 vs. 8 would be an ideal opportunity to do that.

Cirrus, any ideas?

[Cirrus]

You can still attack him. Sometimes your soldiers will loot and sometimes they'll sit back and enjoy their victory without looting. AFAIK it's random.

I'll look into it and see if there's a way to increase the odds.

[Cirrus]

A description of attack types:The more high-end it sounds, the more risks/benefits are involved. Hence, a cautious attack would yield little casualties and not many benefits. However, an aggressive attack would possibly yield high casualties on both ends and high risks/benefits. Standard and Planned are somewhat in the middle.Spoils of war are based on random numbers.

[Cirrus]

I'm trying to work out an aid chain so we can distribute a very large sum of money. Please no one send or receive any additional aid. If you get an offer, don't accept. If even one person sends or accepts aid again before our chain is complete, the whole system could collapse.

I guarantee the wait will be worth it.

(This doesn't apply to Knittelberg and Mekontia - your aid chain is already arranged. Accept it when it comes.)

[JManc]

damn you cirrus...this thing is as addicting as SSP. :laugh:

[Clevelumbus]

No doubt.

[pottebaum]

Here's a cool web of all of the alliance treaties(or all the major ones, at least):

http://woodendog.thephlogiston.com/Images/jkush/Jkush_MDP_MEGA_WEB_TM2.jpg

[Matty]

I fell out of the top 10 rankings of the alliance. :(

[Matty]

BTW we should definitely get our own forum... Or beg and plead for our own section here. :banana:

[bnk]

Alright I just joined.

I will see how long I can keep with it.