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[weidncol]

^^ Just wait until they light the mechanical floors. Hopefully that will make it look like the spire isn't floating.

I never understood why they don't put something such as strip lighting around the entire communication rings... That would give the top of the building a very nice aesthetic feel at night.

[randy1991]

Earthcam (http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/worldtradecenter/)

Progress 3-3-2014

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[NYguy]

Comparing the two is NOT ridiculous. They were building the bridge and late in construction cut costs (the depression) and left the towers naked... Just the skeletons showing... To this day.

It is ridiculous, because you can't compare a skyscraper to a bridge. As I've pointed out, the bridge will be a bridge regardless, and the aesthetics of the bridge aren't nearly as important.


SOUND FAMILIAR? They didn't redesign the skeleton. They just left it naked. SOUND FAMILIAR? And the result of this is FAR more significant (and noticeable) than WTC.

Again, it is not the same thing at all. And the bridge itself didn't "shrink".


You (and I) think the Chrysler Building is a masterpiece. Guess what? When it went up, a lot of New Yorkers HATED it. My Grandfather and his brother worked on both the dismantling of the Waldorf Astoria and construction of the ESB. They used to tell us people joked for years about the Chrysler Bldg making fun of the hubcaps and hood armaments. New Yorkers used to call it "The Swordfish".

Few buildings get universal praise as beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Again, it's done. Over. Get over it and celebrate. Children today (and future generations) will accept this building as-is.

You speak of what people may have thought a century ago, and disregard it. Yet somehow seem to think because you are okay with how the mast looks today, future generations will do the same. Not only do I find that hypocritical nonsense, it just isn't so. (I also find it laughable that you compare the two).


The ironic part of this? NOBODY in NY liked the twin towers when they went up. Everyone felt they looked like nothing in the city and ruined the skyline. When they replaced the antenna with the larger one, a lot of people were even ticked off. A generation later, nobody cared. Today, we wish they were back.

People didn't care about the original antenna, it was rarely if ever considered for anything. And that was appropriate, because it was just there. And don't tell me that nobody in NY liked the originals when they were built, because many did. I know this personally.

This spire/mast is not only supposed to be considered the crowning part of this tower, it is the single most important element of the rebuilding of the WTC itself.

You wanna talk about what future generations will think? When they look back at 9/11, and look on our tepid and uninspired response to it - a wasted opportunity here - it will not be looked on favorably at all.

[NYguy]

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[NYguy]

The trash talking of the lighting begins. Who will own the night?


http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/city-hall/2014/02/8540782/winning-night?news-image

Winning the night

By Dana Rubinstein
Feb. 24, 2014


“Let’s be clear,” said Anthony Malkin, the chairman, president and C.E.O. of the publicly traded company that owns New York’s most famous skyscraper. “The Empire State Building has always been the progenitor and leader in any number of different things.”

He was talking about computer controlled, vibrantly-colored L.E.D. tower lights, and how since 2012 he has had some 1,200 of them on top of his skyscraper.

“The L.E.D. lights have so radically changed the game that it already has brought many other landlords and companies to change the lighting at the tops of their buildings,” he said.

As far as I can tell, there’s no entity out there that keeps track of how many skyscrapers have swapped out white incandescent tower lights for their more versatile, efficient counterparts (even the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat was at a loss).

But aside from the Empire State Building, New York City has at least four others with L.E.D. lights capable of brightening the night skyline with countless color combinations: the old Helmsley Building at 230 Park Avenue; 4 Times Square; One Bryant Park; and in a recent addition, 1 World Trade Center.

“We put them on One Bryant Park and Four Times Square way before Tony [Malkin] even thought of L.E.D. lights,” said developer Douglas Durst, whose Durst Organization owns those two buildings and co-owns 1 World Trade Center, adding: “Whatever Tony can do we can do better.”

In 2010, Durst put elegant sprays of L.E.D. lights along the trestle spires of 4 Times Square and One Bryant Park. And this year, 1 World Trade Center, which the Durst Organization co-owns with the Port Authority, got into the L.E.D. game too. In advance of the Super Bowl, its spire was lit orange and green in honor of the Broncos and the Seahawks, and then green in honor of the winning team.

The tradition of putting blazing lights on top of skyscrapers goes back to at least 1890, when Joseph Pulitzer built a headquarters for his New York World newspaper on Park Row near City Hall. It was called, aptly, the World Building, and at the time, it was the world’s tallest, topping out at more than 300 feet.

On a clear night, ships at sea could spot the small electric lights illuminating the World Building’s golden cupola, according to Carol Willis, the founder and director of the Skyscraper Museum.

The Empire State Building first got colored incandescent lights—red, white and blue lights achieved by manually putting filters on top of white lights—in 1976, in honor of the bicentennial.

wners of the Empire State Building have since made it their business to light the tower in honor of Australia Day and Nelson Mandela, World Diabetes Day and Communist China’s 60th Anniversary. But not, oddly, in honor of Mother Teresa, which at the time earned Malkin reams of bad press.

“We try and avoid getting into the box that Tony keeps getting himself into,” said Durst.

What does that mean?

“I was referring to his fight over Mother Teresa.”

How will he avoid that?

“We’re going to light it for Mother Teresa,” he said laughing, referring to 1 World Trade.

Actually, Durst hasn’t yet figured out what he wants to do with any of his L.E.D. lights, aside from the occasional honorific. Though he says his skyscrapers are capable of choreographing light shows to live performances of Alicia Keys, like Malkin did in 2012, he “doesn’t find it interesting.”

“We’ll leave that to Tony,” he said.

Not that Malkin is not concerned.

“I feel very comfortable and confident that they are the most extraordinary lights in the most extraordinary city in the world,” said Malkin of his own atop the Empire State. “And I think the only thing that even comes close are the lights on the Eiffel Tower. But frankly they’re in Paris, they’re not in New York City.”

[supertallchaser]

honestly Manhattan could use some more l.e.d lighting accents on the crowns and spires of the buildings,not a whole lot ,but enough to give it a slightly more interesting night skyline,with the addition of 1wtc downtown looks cool(which gives me a reason to like the spire) and one 57 and 432 and all other billionaire buildings should look nice as well .But already built structures should be lit as well!

[jmatero]

It is ridiculous, because you can't compare a skyscraper to a bridge. As I've pointed out, the bridge will be a bridge regardless, and the aesthetics of the bridge aren't nearly as important.

Again, it is not the same thing at all. And the bridge itself didn't "shrink".

You speak of what people may have thought a century ago, and disregard it. Yet somehow seem to think because you are okay with how the mast looks today, future generations will do the same. Not only do I find that hypocritical nonsense, it just isn't so. (I also find it laughable that you compare the two).

People didn't care about the original antenna, it was rarely if ever considered for anything. And that was appropriate, because it was just there. And don't tell me that nobody in NY liked the originals when they were built, because many did. I know this personally.

This spire/mast is not only supposed to be considered the crowning part of this tower, it is the single most important element of the rebuilding of the WTC itself.

You wanna talk about what future generations will think? When they look back at 9/11, and look on our tepid and uninspired response to it - a wasted opportunity here - it will not be looked on favorably at all.

Some folks said the same thing as you when they built the Arizona memorial in Hawaii. Uninspired, insulting, ugly, disrespectful. Now, it's one of the biggest tourist attractions in the state and beloved by veterans and citizens alike. Look back at what people said about the Vietnam Veterans memorial in DC when it opened. Stark, insulting to those who lost their lives, not majestic enough. Today, it's one of the most popular destination spots in all of DC for tourists.

Look, we're never going to agree on this. I point to history as a guide to how this usually plays out. You're angry and project your feelings onto the rest of the world as if everyone has your particular taste and shares your opinion. They don't. Just read this forum. We'll have to agree to disagree.

I've been to the WTC site MANY times and everyone looks up, smiles, and takes pics of that building TODAY. Not a negative word to be heard. I have no doubt in my mind that people from all over the world will continue to come to this site and be inspired and in awe when they look up at 1WTC. I know you're disappointed in this building and you are entitled to your opinion. How about you and I meet up for coffee in 10 years and we'll see how this plays out.

They look up from the memorial and see this... Every day.... And are in awe... Not a peep about an antenna as it is such a tiny part of the package from below.

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[ArtDecoRevival]

Durst was only interested in the broadcasting nature of the mast, not what it looked like. It was a cost issue, disguised as a maintenance one.
The covering will live on in renderings and "what if's", but we'll never see it.


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To be honest, that…. doesn't look that good. It could be just that picture, but it looks like a wealthy beachfront property off some coast in California (or even worse Dubai). People have elevated the mythical spire to martyr status. Yes, it probably would have looked marginally better with the spire. But it didn't really reflect New York's grittiness. Something too clean and sanitized about it. At least with the stripped-down antenna the WTC fits in with the other spires and antennas in the skyline.

I'm not super-happy about the finished building, but if the spire was kept we'd just be complaining about something else. The spire wasn't some stroke of architectural genius and it certainly didn't make or break the building. It was one part among many that contributed to a whole. It's amazing how much over emphasis has been put on this one aspect. Like someone said in a few years no one will even care or, outside of this forum, even remember.

[aquablue]

To be honest, that…. doesn't look that good. It could be just that picture, but it looks like a wealthy beachfront property off some coast in California (or even worse Dubai). People have elevated the mythical spire to martyr status. Yes, it probably would have looked marginally better with the spire. But it didn't really reflect New York's grittiness. Something too clean and sanitized about it. At least with the stripped-down antenna the WTC fits in with the other spires and antennas in the skyline.

I'm not super-happy about the finished building, but if the spire was kept we'd just be complaining about something else. The spire wasn't some stroke of architectural genius and it certainly didn't make or break the building. It was one part among many that contributed to a whole. It's amazing how much over emphasis has been put on this one aspect. Like someone said in a few years no one will even care or, outside of this forum, even remember.

The spire is so much nicer in that render than the current spire. The tower as a whole really needed that spire covering to make it look more substantial up top.

[NYguy]

The tower as a whole really needed that spire covering to make it look more substantial up top.

The people who like it as is don't understand that, they're just happy for anything. The antenna atop the original towers was more substantial, but it was just that, an antenna,
it wasn't meant to look like anything. The spire on the other hand was designed to be a piece of the architectural puzzle that makes this tower not only rise to 1,776 ft, but stand
as symbolic as the upraised torch on the Statue of Liberty. If I'm to believe that this is a 1,776 ft building, I want to see all 1,776 ft of it, and all 1,776 ft of it is open to criticism.
Are we glad there is something rebuilt on the skyline? Certainly. That doesn't mean it's without major faults.



http://www.metro.us/newyork/news/local/2014/01/02/2014-new-york-city-news/

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[Zapatan]

I definitely think it's going to look better with stuff on the communications ring but it still boggles my mind that they would invest in a 3.5 billion dollar building and skip out on one of the most important parts for a relatively low cost of 20 million. It's sad they don't care about appearances at all.

I guess this country is run by idiots so what do you expect.

[weidncol]

Something you all have to know is that the average visitor to the WTC doesn't give two shits about what the spire looks like. Do you know why? It's because they never seen or heard anything about the original plan. Point being, it happened and there's nothing we can do about it. Just get over the slight design change.

[O-tacular]

Something you all have to know is that the average visitor to the WTC doesn't give two shits about what the spire looks like. Do you know why? It's because they never seen or heard anything about the original plan. Point being, it happened and there's nothing we can do about it. Just get over the slight design change.

How would they not have seen the original plan for the most hyped skyscraper in America? Steven Spielberg made a documentary about it for the Discovery channel for shit sakes! Believe me, people at large may not be skyscraper nerds, but they definitely will notice the difference between what was shown and what is now built.

[Zapatan]

How would they not have seen the original plan for the most hyped skyscraper in America? Steven Spielberg made a documentary about it for the Discovery channel for shit sakes! Believe me, people at large may not be skyscraper nerds, but they definitely will notice the difference between what was shown and what is now built.

I've definitely heard people who I know are not skyscraper nerds say things like "That's the new WTC? It's so lame/ugly/tacky etc."

I'm not saying I agree (maybe a little) but people definitely notice and it does effect the city... so yes, the appearance of this project IS important to everyone.

[NewYorque]

You know what?
When looking at 1WTC, I've always felt like there was something wrong with the upper part of the tower...

Now I found out !
X-ray filter !! :haha:


http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/10/1393970271-les-rayons-x.jpg

[weidncol]

Podium lighting test!

http://i.imgur.com/hkf32hMl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/hkf32hM.jpg)

[jmatero]

The people who like it as is don't understand that, they're just happy for anything.

That's downright insulting. To suggest people who like this building "don't understand" and are "happy for anything" is ridiculous.

I love the way this building turned out. It screams NEW YORK. To me, the plastic antenna cover (that's what it was) always looked like a unicorn horn and added too much mass above the parapet. It always looked oversized to my eye.

I'm not settling. Neither are any of the folks on the ground looking up and smiling every day. For the hundredth time, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What you find attractive others don't. The same goes for me. Be respectful of others. Life is too short to be spending your time being angry over an antenna cover.

You are entitled to your opinion but please don't tell the rest of the world they don't care and their love of this building (and site as a whole) isn't real.

:koko:

[1Boston]

^now that lighting is something to get excited about, looks very elegant.

[Silverfox]

Podium lighting test!

http://i.imgur.com/hkf32hMl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/hkf32hM.jpg)

That looks very, very nice. I like it much more than 7 wtc's base lighting.

[O-tacular]

The base lighting is really nice.

[drumz0rz]

Wow. That looks great. Will the podium stay white all night or will it be rainbow colors like the spire? I've heard / seem both.

Also, it looks like we may see the last of the parapet tower glass installed today, at worst tomorrow. Exterior wise all that leaves is the removal of the construction elevator (once Conde Nast completes build out) and glass installation, as well as final glass installation for the base. It's hard to believe this building is finally in the home stretch!

[jmatero]

Wow. That looks great. Will the podium stay white all night or will it be rainbow colors like the spire? I've heard / seem both.

Also, it looks like we may see the last of the parapet tower glass installed today, at worst tomorrow. Exterior wise all that leaves is the removal of the construction elevator (once Conde Nast completes build out) and glass installation, as well as final glass installation for the base. It's hard to believe this building is finally in the home stretch!

I know!!! They're full speed ahead. Looking forward to a ground-level shot of the lit base!

[weidncol]

Please keep in mind that was just a test yesterday. I don't know when it will be permanent, but it will be soon.

[MadGnome]

The people who like it as is don't understand that, they're just happy for anything.



Of course. What other reason could they have for not agreeing with your endless whining. There must be something seriously lacking in anyone who's satisfied with the tower.

[Yankee fan for life]

Was around the neighborhood today and here is some quick clips of 1wtc !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECPKq3Q8Js0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaOH51FVNWs

[Bill Ditnow]

Of course. What other reason could they have for not agreeing with your endless whining. There must be something seriously lacking in anyone who's satisfied with the tower.

That's correct. The tower is crap. It's a bland, boring icicle in honor of late-stage soulless global capitalism. It's got a gigantic toothpick, radically out of proportion to the building below it, stuck on top. It sucks. It speaks not at all to what happened on 9/11. It speaks only to the making of money.

[Zapatan]

I think the building is pretty cool itself, and if it weren't for the top it would look really cool.

For what it's replacing it definitely falls a little short... but then again the people behind this whole redevelopment were incompetent jackasses so what do you expect? It could, however, have ended up far FAR worse (aka libeskinds original pile of horseshit)

[randy1991]

by Earthcam (http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/worldtradecenter/)

Almost there!

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[Thaniel]

by Earthcam (http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/worldtradecenter/)

Almost there!

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Why does it look like there's a gap between the top and the angular pieces below it? I don't think any other parts fit into that gap do they?

[randy1991]

Why does it look like there's a gap between the top and the angular pieces below it? I don't think any other parts fit into that gap do they?

I was thinking the same, i think when its all done they lower it a bit.

[C.]

I really dislike this building. I cannot stand the 20 floor podium, spire, andvmrchanical floors. Wish the roof height was 1776 and 110+ floors along with a real spire.

[Zapatan]

I really dislike this building. I cannot stand the 20 floor podium, spire, andvmrchanical floors. Wish the roof height was 1776 and 110+ floors along with a real spire.

Luckily we already have 2 taller buildings in the works, someday NY will get what it deserves.

[ILNY]

3.1.2014

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[wilfredo267]

l was wondering if 55 and 45 Broad street are merged how much taller theoretically than One World Trade would it be?

[pico44]

That's correct. The tower is crap. It's a bland, boring icicle in honor of late-stage soulless global capitalism. It's got a gigantic toothpick, radically out of proportion to the building below it, stuck on top. It sucks. It speaks not at all to what happened on 9/11. It speaks only to the making of money.


:haha:

[NewYorque]

I agree that the spire/antenna is out of proportion.

A normal proportion of an antenna should be less than 1/5 of the height of the rooftop. Whereas here, it is a third of the height of 417m.

And I still can't accept the idea that 1WTC is considered as taller than Taipei 101 in the skyscrapers chart. Taipei 101 has a consistant spire, fully a part of the tower. 1WTC has just a long piece of iron, absolutely not part of the structure of the tower.

Another proff is that the spire/antenna of 1WTC has been assembled like Lego bricks, putting 15 or 16 pieces one upon another. That's not what I call a "part of the structure".

Sorry for complaining again... Just wanted to say that this tower is gorgeous but only from the base to the rooftop.

[drumz0rz]

That's correct. The tower is crap. It's a bland, boring icicle in honor of late-stage soulless global capitalism. It's got a gigantic toothpick, radically out of proportion to the building below it, stuck on top. It sucks. It speaks not at all to what happened on 9/11. It speaks only to the making of money.
Well to be fair, NYC is many things, but "soulless global capitalism" and "making money" are pretty much NYC's central tenants. Sure there are mixed cultures and unique communities, but at heart, people come to NY to make lots of money, and in that respect, it fits in perfectly with NYC.

[animatedmartian]

TIME released a special issue on 1 WTC today. Included is a gigapanorama from the spire and two short films, one of the iron workers and one of the process of making the panorama on the spire.

1 World Trade Center: TIME (http://time.com/world-trade-center/)

Here's a few screenshots from the videos.

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[Design-mind]

Thank you for posting animatedmartian! The gigapanorama is so seamless I absolutely love it, and I can't wait for the observation floors to open! What a view!:tup:

[mrnyc]

yeah the pano-pic that is the wraparound cover of time is prettyfreakinamazin.com

[randy1991]

Almost done

Earthcam (http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/worldtradecenter/)

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[NYguy]

TIME released a special issue on 1 WTC today. Included is a gigapanorama from the spire and two short films, one of the iron workers
and one of the process of making the panorama on the spire.

1 World Trade Center: TIME (http://time.com/world-trade-center/)



The close up view above is similar to the live shots on Good Day NY.




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[unanimity]

I put the spire of 1wtc on library tower and it looks great!:P

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/ramonaramona/los-angeles-skyline-night-from-the-east-jon-holiday.jpg (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/ramonaramona/media/los-angeles-skyline-night-from-the-east-jon-holiday.jpg.html)

[LA Kurt]

I put the spire of 1wtc on library tower and it looks great!:P

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/ramonaramona/los-angeles-skyline-night-from-the-east-jon-holiday.jpg (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/ramonaramona/media/los-angeles-skyline-night-from-the-east-jon-holiday.jpg.html)

please add that picture to the LA wilshire grand page!

[jd3189]

Transitions. Courtesy of AP Images/Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/11/one-world-trade-center_n_3899393.html)

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/lower-manhattan-1-color.gif


http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/tower-before-after-color.gif

[ILNY]

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[Zapatan]

They actually kinda sorta made it look cool at night... now if they could only do something about daytime

[kpdrummer82]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=506225049485991&set=a.339321392843025.73882.182408865200946&type=1&theater
Courtesy of World Trade Center on Facebook

[CCs77]

Those panoramas of Gigapan are amazing!

I made these panoramas from it.

A huge panorama from Hoboken to Downtown Brooklyn, passing through Midtown.

The panorama is resized at 50%
Click the thumbnail for the full-size panorama 7MB

http://thumbnails111.imagebam.com/31261/e3adf0312603718.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/e3adf0312603718)

Scroll >>>>>

http://img3.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/19102/1910288330b933906d3ad0c3959c70d78a144548.jpg (http://www.uploadhouse.com/viewfile.php?id=19102883&showlnk=0)


NY Harbor Panorama

http://img2.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/19102/19102882f0896f2cade4417981aa08f6db468a58.jpg (http://www.uploadhouse.com/viewfile.php?id=19102882&showlnk=0)

[Perklol]

What are the inappropriate photos on that website about?? I hope I didn't get a virus.

[chris08876]

What are the inappropriate photos on that website about?? I hope I didn't get a virus.

Just go to: http://time.com/world-trade-center/

Scroll down, click on panorama,make it full screen enjoy. It also on a side note it gives a good idea of the new developments that have gone up in Brooklyn. The outer boroughs of Queens and Brooklyn are changing dramatically. :)

[Zapatan]

an observation deck at 1776 feet would have been so kickass

[chris08876]

an observation deck at 1776 feet would have been so kickass

When I was looking and zooming in using the panorama, I was thinking: Can you imagine the view if the Burj Khalifa was in NYC. 1,776 seems so tall, yet it pales in comparison to the great Khalifa.

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3557205/top-ten-tallest-buildings-stock1_1020.jpg
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3557205/top-ten-tallest-buildings-stock1_1020.jpg

And just for fun:

http://pfnphoto.com/new/wp-content/gallery/archives/20130919-nyc-1367-panorama-burj2.jpg
http://pfnphoto.com/new/wp-content/gallery/archives/20130919-nyc-1367-panorama-burj2.jpg

[Onn]

The one thing that's really bothering me about this tower is that huge stripe at the top of the cladding at night that doesn't have any lights on it. Who's bright idea was that? :yuck:

[Hudson11]

i find it hilarious that people complain about the dark spot and not the fugly temporary construction lighting, can't wait till they get rid of that.

[Zapatan]

When I was looking and zooming in using the panorama, I was thinking: Can you imagine the view if the Burj Khalifa was in NYC. 1,776 seems so tall, yet it pales in comparison to the great Khalifa.



Pretty much anything would pale in comparison to that... but Burj Khalifa does get really narrow past ~1800 feet... something like Shanghai World Financial Centre is almost just as impressive to me. Hopefully someday NY will have a roof that high

[dfiler]

That's downright insulting. To suggest people who like this building "don't understand" and are "happy for anything" is ridiculous.

I love the way this building turned out. It screams NEW YORK. To me, the plastic antenna cover (that's what it was) always looked like a unicorn horn and added too much mass above the parapet. It always looked oversized to my eye.

I'm not settling. Neither are any of the folks on the ground looking up and smiling every day. For the hundredth time, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What you find attractive others don't. The same goes for me. Be respectful of others. Life is too short to be spending your time being angry over an antenna cover.

You are entitled to your opinion but please don't tell the rest of the world they don't care and their love of this building (and site as a whole) isn't real.

:koko:
That seems like a rather unjustified level of indignation. It is reasonable to talk about public awareness of the spire and the original plans. Posts like this aren't angry, they're analytical. Ironically, it is that analysis that provokes anger.

Most people don't understand the iconic difference between the two. That isn't an insult at all, but rather a candid assessment of what people focus on and are aware of. Analysis of spire design isn't an important part of their life.

For example, most people are impressed and happy to see new skyscrapers, especially ones as high budget as WTC1. They look up and say, wow, that's tall and amazing. If asked, they won't have a strong opinion on the spire. To them, it looks like a spire that goes on top of a building.

Evaluations like that are always relative. Are they happy with the spire? Sure.

However, compare that to the opinions that likely would be expressed about the spire if it was covered. Instead of just being the raw top bit of an amazing building, it would be the defining architectural focal point of the entire city. The spire is and will be that to some degree even in it's current unclad form. Yet the covered version would attain a far more significant, iconic status.

People will grow to love and treasure the spire anyway. Familiarity and pride will breed that. At the same time, it isn't contradictory to point out that the spire could have been better.

[drumz0rz]

And just for fun:

http://pfnphoto.com/new/wp-content/gallery/archives/20130919-nyc-1367-panorama-burj2.jpg
http://pfnphoto.com/new/wp-content/gallery/archives/20130919-nyc-1367-panorama-burj2.jpg
I've been dreaming in my head for years of building a 2-3,000ft supertall just south of Wall St. How about instead of the Burj, we build Frank Lloyd Wright's The Illinois? 5,280ft to the roof... I think you'd be able to see Philly and Boston from up there on a clear day...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/83/The_Illinois.jpg
The one thing that's really bothering me about this tower is that huge stripe at the top of the cladding at night that doesn't have any lights on it. Who's bright idea was that? :yuck:
I do think the building would look amazing if they illuminated the cladding. Imagine back-lit strips of light tracing the diagonals of the building's corners and defining the roof line.

[randy1991]

Earthcam (http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/worldtradecenter/)

7-3-2014

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[RockMont]

Down to the last piece of the puzzle.

[Hudson11]

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3821/12985378514_74fe8cbb82_h.jpg (http://flic.kr/p/kMtsCs)
Top of the Rock. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/weshweshpix/12985378514) by Julien Prénat (http://www.flickr.com/photos/weshweshpix/) on Flickr

[RockMont]

I've been dreaming in my head for years of building a 2-3,000ft supertall just south of Wall St. How about instead of the Burj, we build Frank Lloyd Wright's The Illinois? 5,280ft to the roof... I think you'd be able to see Philly and Boston from up there on a clear day...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/83/The_Illinois.jpg

I do think the building would look amazing if they illuminated the cladding. Imagine back-lit strips of light tracing the diagonals of the building's corners and defining the roof line.

Oh man! I can just imagine, the suggestions, and calls for two of them, allready. Good Grief! :(

[Hypothalamus]

Posted March 5th, 2014...

Masons working on the floors at One WTC North Lobby.
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[chris08876]

I'm loving all this marble they are putting in. Especially the white marble used in the path station concourse. Gives it that hospital look with all the white but it looks sleek and squeaky clean.

[jd3189]

And just for fun:

http://pfnphoto.com/new/wp-content/gallery/archives/20130919-nyc-1367-panorama-burj2.jpg
http://pfnphoto.com/new/wp-content/gallery/archives/20130919-nyc-1367-panorama-burj2.jpg

The Burj still gets lost in the skyline A tower of its equal would not be too out of place in Manhattan.

[QUEENSNYMAN]

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3821/12985378514_74fe8cbb82_h.jpg (http://flic.kr/p/kMtsCs)
Top of the Rock. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/weshweshpix/12985378514) by Julien Prénat (http://www.flickr.com/photos/weshweshpix/) on Flickr

Love this pic:tup:

[NYguy]

For example, most people are impressed and happy to see new skyscrapers,

...However, compare that to the opinions that likely would be expressed about the spire if it was covered. Instead of just being the raw top bit of an amazing building, it would be the defining architectural focal point of the entire city. The spire is and will be that to some degree even in it's current unclad form. Yet the covered version would attain a far more significant, iconic status.

People will grow to love and treasure the spire anyway. Familiarity and pride will breed that. At the same time, it isn't contradictory to point out that the spire could have been better.



People in general don't care about skyscrapers. But they care about this one (to some degree) mainly because of what it represents. This isn't just some random skyscraper that was built, with just another spire on top. It meant something, or was supposed to mean something. They sure did go through hoops to make sure the tower had the "official" 1,776 ft height, even though we know by CTBUH standards, that isn't the actual height. But we'll go with it, because. It's just supposed to be that symbolic height, really the last thing preserved on the tower from the site plan. It's basically been reduced to just another mast, but hey, they'll light it up at night for you, even if Durst now says he's not interested in light shows, and will leave that to the ESB. But, as I said before, most people are just happy to see something return to the skyline, and no one cared about the original antenna, they won't see this one either. It's only in the context of the 1,776 ft height that it comes into play.



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[Empire state of mind]

Well said!


People in general don't care about skyscrapers. But they care about this one (to some degree) mainly because of what it represents. This isn't just some random skyscraper that was built, with just another spire on top. It meant something, or was supposed to mean something. They sure did go through hoops to make sure the tower had the "official" 1,776 ft height, even though we know by CTBUH standards, that isn't the actual height. But we'll go with it, because. It's just supposed to be that symbolic height, really the last thing preserved on the tower from the site plan. It's basically been reduced to just another mast, but hey, they'll light it up at night for you, even if Durst now says he's not interested in light shows, and will leave that to the ESB. But, as I said before, most people are just happy to see something return to the skyline, and no one cared about the original antenna, they won't see this one either. It's only in the context of the 1,776 ft height that it comes into play.







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[Empire state of mind]

Regardless of how much this tower has been stripped, I must say that it is beautiful all though out the day. I love the way the mast turned out at night with the lighting. I was completely against it at first, but I can appreciate it for what it is now. Welcome home one World Trade Center.

[jmatero]

Regardless of how much this tower has been stripped, I must say that it is beautiful all though out the day. I love the way the mast turned out at night with the lighting. I was completely against it at first, but I can appreciate it for what it is now. Welcome home one World Trade Center.

Agreed! "People don't care about skyscrapers" is an opinion. If people in ANY city in the world cared about skyscrapers, it would be NY.

When the building was redesigned from a Statue of Liberty-esq structure to a conventional building, the "pointy top" became a beacon-topped antenna. Nothing more. The radome was a weather-proof cover for the antenna. Some liked it, others didn't. I didn't. And a decade from now this building will be the face of NYC. And nobody will give a darn about the radome.

[Zapatan]

I wonder if anyone's ever thought of partially covering the "spire" with latticework like the original top was supposed to be... that wouldn't look half bad.

[Capsule F]

I cant stand that little pole coming out of the top, otherwise it looks above average.

[patrick989]

Again, why does the spire have a purple look when it's supposedly lit up in white?

[Enigmatism415]

It speaks not at all to what happened on 9/11.

Are we really still going on about this over twelve years later? The tragic events of 9/11 shouldn't be the defining feature of the new WTC complex. After 2/26, a lovely memorial was built on the plaza, parking security was tightened, and New Yorkers just got on with their lives and enjoyed the site. Why should one event, however tragic, demand reference in every facet of downtown's focal point? Future generations should inherit a place of commerce and enjoyment, not a sullen pit with a towering headstone. I'm so sick of granting the terrorists the satisfaction of killing our spirits.

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The 'spire', while not the worst appendage in the world, would strongly benefit from some kind of cladding, so as to prevent it from appearing unfinished in perpetuity. I certainly appreciate the contention that many of NYC's most iconic structures had received widespread criticism during their early years, and that it would be perhaps shortsighted to dismiss the possibility of future acceptance, but a well-clad spire is a key component of the complex's aesthetic synergy.

If you want to see what regret looks like, look no further than the new Penn Station entombed under Madison Square Garden. It's been many decades and people are still bitching about it...

[Kurtz]

The Burj still gets lost in the skyline A tower of its equal would not be too out of place in Manhattan.

i think that height and shape and powerfull elegant looking of one wtc is far better than burj

[King DenCity]

Are we really still going on about this over twelve years later? The tragic events of 9/11 shouldn't be the defining feature of the new WTC complex. After 2/26, a lovely memorial was built on the plaza, parking security was tightened, and New Yorkers just got on with their lives and enjoyed the site. Why should one event, however tragic, demand reference in every facet of downtown's focal point? Future generations should inherit a place of commerce and enjoyment, not a sullen pit with a towering headstone. I'm so sick of granting the terrorists the satisfaction of killing our spirits.

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The 'spire', while not the worst appendage in the world, would strongly benefit from some kind of cladding, so as to prevent it from appearing unfinished in perpetuity. I certainly appreciate the contention that many of NYC's most iconic structures had received widespread criticism during their early years, and that it would be perhaps shortsighted to dismiss the possibility of future acceptance, but a well-clad spire is a key component of the complex's aesthetic synergy.

If you want to see what regret looks like, look no further than the new Penn Station entombed under Madison Square Garden. It's been many decades and people are still bitching about it...
Very well said. "Remember the past, don't dwell in it"

[Graybeard]

http://wtc.gigapan.com/wtc/?new

[ThatOneGuy]

I cant stand that little pole coming out of the top, otherwise it looks above average.

"little"

[ThatOneGuy]

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5485/11795064376_6cd47b20d2_b.jpg (http://flic.kr/p/iYhMGU)
DSC_0141 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jackogilvie/11795064376/) by Jack Ogilvie (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jackogilvie/) on Flickr

[King DenCity]

I like the detail.

[Enigmatism415]

Very well said. "Remember the past, don't dwell in it"

Amen! Let's be proud of FiDi again.

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The lit base looks nicer than I had initially expected, actually. I'd have preferred something a bit more transparent than a bunker, of course, but I suppose they've done a good job decorating it nonetheless.

I hold the unpopular opinion of preferring the squared base over the tapered one; although the latter befits the building's aesthetic in a vacuum, the former allows the complex to appear more cohesive and consistent from the ground level. I think we should keep in mind that this is the World Trade Center, and not merely the tallest element thereof.

[Zapatan]

A picture where the pinnacle doesn't look terrible for a change :)

Photo courtesy of philippedrs on instagram

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[RockMont]

I like that old fashioned post card look.

[Tectonic]

03.09.13

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©tectonic

[NewYorque]

Just a small question:
because I've never seen this tower in real life, I would like to know how the glass panels on the cubic base work:

Do they move all the time? Do they move only during particular events? (for example, Christmas, New Year,...)

Have you ever seen them moving?

I think these moving panels are really a good idea. It makes the tower become alive :)

[NYguy]

Herman Miranda Photography (http://www.flickr.com/photos/112771645@N04/13046692984/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

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[weidncol]

Just a small question:
because I've never seen this tower in real life, I would like to know how the glass panels on the cubic base work:

Do they move all the time? Do they move only during particular events? (for example, Christmas, New Year,...)

Have you ever seen them moving?

I think these moving panels are really a good idea. It makes the tower become alive :)

The base vents do not move, they are in their final position.

[Zapatan]

Someone please tell me the mechanical floors will eventually be lit at night

[weidncol]

Someone please tell me the mechanical floors will eventually be lit at night

Yes they will. This will include the podium and top mechanical floors.

[Roadcruiser1]

Pictures I took today.

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The other pictures are on my Flickr. Click to enjoy.........http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadcruiser1/

[Zapatan]

This building has definitely grown on me but I still can't wait for it to be eclipsed by other giants in the near future

[NYguy]

Jay Fine (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jayfine/13052343284/sizes/l/)

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[599GTO]

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[Ninja Man]

I have a good feeling that One World Trade Center will open in time for my graduation trip to New York City!

[Camstonisland]

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Peekaboo, i see you, Jersey Ready Living :P

[1Boston]

This building has definitely grown on me but I still can't wait for it to be eclipsed by other giants in the near future

Same, it has its moments. I'm really excited for 3 WTC to start rising to accent 1wtc and strengthen the downtown skyline even more.

[NewYorque]

The base vents do not move, they are in their final position.



Ehhh ?
I thought those were moving panels...:???:

I am quite sure their position moved as I always follow the recent posts, and the recent photos of the base.

[weidncol]

Yes, they do if the workers move them... They are in their final position now.

[WCArch]

Not sure if this video has been posted before. Sorry if it has...I thought it was a really neat, unique representation of the project as a whole. Incredible renderings as well. I'm sure many of you have seen it ;) Hopefully the video works. if not heres the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWu9x79HKbs


please check out http://westcoastarch.blogspot.com/2014/03/new-world-trade-center-video.html too, It has the video and some additional pictures


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWu9x79HKbs

Late i know, but I loved how they did this. Really powerful.
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http://westcoastarch.blogspot.com/2014/03/new-world-trade-center-video.html

[randy1991]

Earthcam (http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/worldtradecenter/)

Glass progress till 11th of march

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