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America 117
May 13, 2008, 1:43 AM
Neo;3547985']isn't this render from STR? although it isn't a picture it's IMO a lot better than the others because in this you SEE the new WTC in detail and not only a few pixels...

well said:yes:

America 117
May 13, 2008, 7:33 PM
i heard about the bad batch of concrete
as if we havent been waiting already :gaah: :hell: :slob: :slob:

philvia
May 13, 2008, 8:57 PM
i heard about the bad batch of concrete
as if we havent been waiting already :gaah: :hell: :slob: :slob:

the concrete thing is old news.. i dont know why someone reposted it.

America 117
May 13, 2008, 8:57 PM
:previous:
oh ok good

NYguy
May 13, 2008, 9:41 PM
love this pix this is the best to me:tup:

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7363/703.jpg


It is a good rendering. Compare to the model:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/97028868/original.jpg

gramsjdg
May 14, 2008, 3:13 PM
I don't get it- from all these latest pictures and model shots, it looks like they are going back to the original geometric tiara design for the structural top under the spire, and abandoning the double ring of microwave dishes. If so, this is great news!
Does anyone have any info on this apparent change?

philvia
May 14, 2008, 4:08 PM
I don't get it- from all these latest pictures and model shots, it looks like they are going back to the original geometric tiara design for the structural top under the spire, and abandoning the double ring of microwave dishes. If so, this is great news!
Does anyone have any info on this apparent change?

nope
and i think the double ring of "microwave dishes" is lights.

10101000
May 14, 2008, 8:41 PM
Looks really nice in the spot that it is in.

America 117
May 14, 2008, 8:59 PM
nice job ny guy where did you find that pix ive never seen that one!
it also shows how good the freedom tower looks in lower manhatten:tup:

CHAPINM1
May 14, 2008, 10:04 PM
I'm just being perfectly honost, but I love the Freedom Tower and see it as a new, improved, up-to-date and modern version of the former WTC Tower 1... It will be something once this gets past street level! That daytime rendering is spactaculer! BTW, is the core technically at street level yet or if not, how many feet below is it yet? In this case I do find it weird that they are working on the core before the steel seeing that the last projects I've seen under construction including the BOA and 7WTC worked on the core behind the steel.

America 117
May 14, 2008, 10:09 PM
:previous:
its one of those towers that you love it the more you look at it:yes:

NYguy
May 15, 2008, 7:19 AM
I don't get it- from all these latest pictures and model shots, it looks like they are going back to the original geometric tiara design for the structural top under the spire, and abandoning the double ring of microwave dishes.

Neither new photos nor models.

This is as close to the current design as we've seen:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/91172572/original.jpg

America 117
May 15, 2008, 9:02 PM
i saw that at the top of the freedom towers antena there would be a kind of light show with spot lights from the freedom tower spining around is this true

[SP]Neo
May 15, 2008, 9:46 PM
lol i think if the task is to draw the ugliest spire possible for the FT, many people (i hope so) would draw that THING...sry i have to say it that way: it's only ugly IMO i hope i didn't broke someones heart with this post^^

philvia
May 16, 2008, 4:48 AM
its not that bad ^^

aluminum
May 16, 2008, 5:57 AM
Neo;3555228']lol i think if the task is to draw the ugliest spire possible for the FT, many people (i hope so) would draw that THING...sry i have to say it that way: it's only ugly IMO i hope i didn't broke someones heart with this post^^

I totally agree with you. What the hell were guys thinking when they designed that spire ?

[SP]Neo
May 16, 2008, 1:24 PM
the only good thing about the spire is that it will be a few metres over the streetlevel so nobody is able to see it details. some time ago someone said it looks like a pregnant needle^^ i love this comparison.

aluminum
May 16, 2008, 5:27 PM
Neo;3556433']the only good thing about the spire is that it will be a few metres over the streetlevel so nobody is able to see it details.

Its a spire. People will hardly see it from some distance.

I'm talking about daytime. So yeah, no harm done by designing an ugly spire.

timba86
May 16, 2008, 6:56 PM
Neo;3556433']the only good thing about the spire is that it will be a few metres over the streetlevel so nobody is able to see it details. some time ago someone said it looks like a pregnant needle^^ i love this comparison.

HAHA... good point. Never the less, projects like these are always judged on its complete picture so I think this will be a topic that will return; if everyone shares the same opinion that is :). Maybe it looks better in real, who knows... Personally I also think they could have created something more fitting for the tower.

America 117
May 17, 2008, 12:06 AM
Its a spire. People will hardly see it from some distance.

I'm talking about daytime. So yeah, no harm done by designing an ugly spire.

i dont think that its ugly at all
i like the spire

America 117
May 17, 2008, 12:07 AM
i saw that at the top of the freedom towers antena there would be a kind of light show with spot lights from the freedom tower spining around is this true

can someone please answer my question!

Dac150
May 17, 2008, 12:22 AM
I'm very amused by that fact that the spire of this tower is causing so much hipe. A spire is a spire, how do you want it to look? People won't notice it from the ground nor care about it when they see from the air. The tower itself is the attraction, not the spire.

I personally have no problem with it. I think it completes the entire building and pulls the entire complex together.

Dac150
May 17, 2008, 12:25 AM
can someone please answer my question!

That sounds more like an attraction from 'Disney World' rather than the top of a World Trade Center. So no, I would doubt it. This isn't the Stratosphere in Las Vegas with 'light shows' and 'rides' on the top, it's an office building.

philvia
May 17, 2008, 3:35 AM
on one of the websites they have animations of a light show atop 1wtc, so i always assumed there would be a light show.

who knows though, i can't remember where i saw it.

America 117
May 17, 2008, 3:39 AM
on one of the websites they have animations of a light show atop 1wtc, so i always assumed there would be a light show.

who knows though, i can't remember where i saw it.

yay! thats what im talking about!
can someone find the website and post it
i also see it in pixs too with a light show at night

Realthang
May 17, 2008, 8:07 PM
A peek at the Earthcam shows that the FT has officially risen above street level with the an extension of one of the outside steel columns by another length. See the southern most column on the east side. :banana:

timba86
May 17, 2008, 8:42 PM
A peek at the Earthcam shows that the FT has officially risen above street level with the an extension of one of the outside steel columns by another length. See the southern most column on the east side. :banana:

The point of no return? :rolleyes:
:cheers:

theWatusi
May 17, 2008, 8:47 PM
a sad day for TalB

America 117
May 17, 2008, 10:41 PM
a sad day for TalB

also a sad day for bin laden:banana: but he is apart of the TalB
i bet he is so mad what where building is amayzing:tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:

Lecom
May 17, 2008, 11:20 PM
also a sad day for bin laden:banana: but he is apart of the TalB
i bet he is so mad what where building is amayzing:tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:

It's cool, here's our new TalB (TalA?)

Ebola
May 17, 2008, 11:41 PM
The Freedom Tower is now above street level. It seems like it's happening too early according to what the media has been saying, but I'll take it. I wonder of we'll see horizontal or diagonal beams too.

37TimPPG
May 18, 2008, 6:52 PM
A peek at the Earthcam shows that the FT has officially risen above street level with the an extension of one of the outside steel columns by another length. See the southern most column on the east side. :banana:

WOOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FINALLY! ABOVE STREET LEVEL!

RISE BABY RISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And Now...let us celebrate with Dancing Bananas:

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

speedy1979
May 18, 2008, 7:16 PM
This is a momentous occasion let's celebrate by posting pictures.

NYguy
May 18, 2008, 8:17 PM
The Freedom Tower is now above street level. It seems like it's happening too early according to what the media has been saying, but I'll take it. I wonder of we'll see horizontal or diagonal beams too.

Not too early, original predictions were around this time of year, but that was pushed back. I guess in the next few months this thing will really pick up above ground.

theWatusi
May 18, 2008, 11:51 PM
originally posted here (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?p=229997#post229997)
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb276/scumonkey/site.jpg

Scruffy
May 19, 2008, 12:47 AM
so i went down and took pics but am having trouble getting them online. but only 2 beams have broken street level but they've done so by 6-10 feet.

Dac150
May 19, 2008, 1:00 AM
My guess is that the cranes are resting on what will be the elevator banks and the stairwells, and the steel outline is the outline of the full core.

My question is though, given that 'wall' that was erected between Tower 1 and the PATH tracks, will there be access to the underground tunnel that'll lead to the WFC from Tower 1?

speedy1979
May 19, 2008, 1:02 AM
originally posted here (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?p=229997#post229997)
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb276/scumonkey/site.jpg

Yea!!!!!!!!!! :banana: Let's celebrate. :upload_71700: :hyper:

Scruffy
May 19, 2008, 1:12 AM
the tunnel to WFC is a definite. Thats why they dug up the front lawn of the Amex building months ago. I think the tunnel under west st is pretty much dug

Dac150
May 19, 2008, 1:23 AM
the tunnel to WFC is a definite. Thats why they dug up the front lawn of the Amex building months ago. I think the tunnel under west st is pretty much dug

Do you happen to know though at what location within the underground portion of the complex it will connect? My guess it that'll connect with the undergound mall or the memorial.

STERNyc
May 19, 2008, 1:32 AM
My guess is that the cranes are resting on what will be the elevator banks and the stairwells, and the steel outline is the outline of the full core.

My question is though, given that 'wall' that was erected between Tower 1 and the PATH tracks, will there be access to the underground tunnel that'll lead to the WFC from Tower 1?

The cranes are resting on the elevator banks and the stairwells which are located within the core, actually there will be two cores, side by side. The steel columns are not part of the core, rather the perimeter skeleton.

As to your question there will be an underground passage from the Transit Hub to the World Financial Center creating one of the largest malls in Manhattan.

STERNyc
May 19, 2008, 1:36 AM
While the mall is still in place I should add that from what I've heard it is the mall that will be taking the most of the cuts from the PA because of the Transit Hubs cost overruns.

Scruffy
May 19, 2008, 1:40 AM
So i found the "survivor's staircase" being set aside so they can dig for tower 2.

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/Scruffy66/Byram/DSC00375.jpg

Scruffy
May 19, 2008, 1:44 AM
this is street level from Vesey
those are the two beams that broke street level
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/Scruffy66/Byram/DSC00376.jpg

the rest of the site
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/Scruffy66/Byram/DSC00379.jpg

Dac150
May 19, 2008, 1:46 AM
While the mall is still in place I should add that from what I've heard it is the mall that will be taking the most of the cuts from the PA because of the Transit Hubs cost overruns.

In terms of size or quality? It's a shame to hear that, but the transit is more important.

Scruffy
May 19, 2008, 1:50 AM
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/Scruffy66/Byram/DSC00388.jpg


the core
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/Scruffy66/Byram/DSC00392.jpg

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/Scruffy66/Byram/DSC00396.jpg

Scruffy
May 19, 2008, 1:56 AM
Street level across West street. The two infamous beams that broke street level are to the right of the 2nd crane.

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/Scruffy66/Byram/DSC00398.jpg

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/Scruffy66/Byram/DSC00400.jpg

Dac150
May 19, 2008, 2:15 AM
Nice contributions Scruffy, thank you.

STERNyc
May 19, 2008, 2:28 AM
In terms of size or quality? It's a shame to hear that, but the transit is more important.

Both. Its upsetting, but for me atleast its not a big deal. Groundzero is already unbearable with all the tourists. I can only imagine the mall with tourists taking pictures outside of the GAP and standing in the middle of the mall in everyones way as they pull out their map. I already think malls are hell, with dumb tourists all over the place, this will be one mall I will be sure to stay away from. As is I rarely go to Century 21 anymore. The good news is from what I hear all the above ground portions of the Transit Hub are safe.

philvia
May 19, 2008, 4:42 AM
thanks for those pics!

Scruffy
May 19, 2008, 5:07 AM
thanks. i had been neglecting this site cause there really is only one spot where you can see anything and nothing really changes. But now that there is above street action, i'll be stopping by more often

Puzzlecraft
May 19, 2008, 5:55 AM
Scruffy, Excellent Photos! Looking forward to more pics when the steel gets going!

Ghost
May 19, 2008, 12:02 PM
Finaly! How should we celebrate this? :)

NYguy
May 19, 2008, 12:45 PM
I already think malls are hell, with dumb tourists all over the place, this will be one mall I will be sure to stay away from. As is I rarely go to Century 21 anymore. The good news is from what I hear all the above ground portions of the Transit Hub are safe.

This was never really going to be the same as the old WTC concourse anyway, with a lot of the retail now being at and above street level. The best thing about this concourse now is that it will connect to the Fulton St station, where people will have direct access all the way to the World Financial Center, in effect making the Fulton St stop a WTC stop.

NYguy
May 19, 2008, 12:46 PM
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/Scruffy66/Byram/DSC00400.jpg

That looks to be about what, maybe 10 ft? Only 1,766 more ft to go...:tup:

NewRussia
May 19, 2008, 5:44 PM
This is great news! I also noticed in the pics the black shrouded building right next to 90 west street seems to be uncovered a little. Whats happening to it?

37TimPPG
May 19, 2008, 6:39 PM
Finaly! How should we celebrate this? :)

How about a chilled bottle of 1975 Bollinger Champagne?:cheers:

America 117
May 19, 2008, 10:12 PM
great pixs
im glad that is offically above street level

That looks to be about what, maybe 10 ft? Only 1,766 more ft to go...:tup:

ha ha :haha: :haha:
i know. but i think it will go up fast i cant wait to see it go up:tup:

While the mall is still in place I should add that from what I've heard it is the mall that will be taking the most of the cuts from the PA because of the Transit Hubs cost overruns.

is the mall going to be bigger then the old one because ive not yet heard anything about the mall in wtc :shrug: i bet it will be really nice and all modern and stuff just like the tower.
but i have been told that the lobby will look just like the old one. but more modern.

NYguy
May 19, 2008, 10:46 PM
Observer.com

Freedom Tower Hits Street Level

http://www.observer.com/files/imagecache/article-teaser/files/1%20World%20Trade%20Center%20003.jpg

by Eliot Brown

After well over a year of below-grade work, the Freedom Tower has reached the street level. Those in the Spitzer administration had often pointed to this milestone as a time at which the public would begin to understand that there was active work going on at Ground Zero.

Picture courtesy of the Port Authority

Dac150
May 19, 2008, 10:50 PM
is the mall going to be bigger then the old one because ive not yet heard anything about the mall in wtc :shrug: i bet it will be really nice and all modern and stuff just like the tower.

Well from what I hear now there will be an undergound mall, but it will not be as big as the former one. The concourse however will be bigger being that it extends from Fulton Street, through the WTC and into the WFC. I'm sure that'll be lined with retail. The other retail is above ground and in some cases inside a few of the towers.

They way I look at it, it'll be the best of both worlds. You'll have the undergound mall and large concourse, as well as above grade retail.

America 117
May 20, 2008, 1:34 AM
Well from what I hear now there will be an undergound mall, but it will not be as big as the former one. The concourse however will be bigger being that it extends from Fulton Street, through the WTC and into the WFC. I'm sure that'll be lined with retail. The other retail is above ground and in some cases inside a few of the towers.

They way I look at it, it'll be the best of both worlds. You'll have the undergound mall and large concourse, as well as above grade retail.

that sounds good
im glad to see a new mall at wtc:banana:

Dac150
May 20, 2008, 1:42 AM
that sounds good
im glad to see a new mall at wtc:banana:

Yes, that was one of the aspects of the Trade Center that I liked the most. I remember when I was younger I though the underground features of the complex were the most amazing thing ever. Of course, I still do to a degree. I don't know, underground stations, garages, and malls have always been appealing to me. That's why I look foward to walking this concourse.

NYguy
May 20, 2008, 12:24 PM
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/19/not-yet-on-the-skyline-but-above-street-level/

Not Yet on the Skyline, but Above Street Level

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/05/19/nyregion/wtc-650.jpg


By David W. Dunlap
May 19, 2008


Only 1,761 feet to go.

Another tangible and fanfare-free milestone occurred over the weekend at ground zero, where two steel columns of 1 World Trade Center rose above street level for the first time. That means the 1,776-foot skyscraper, until now an entirely subterranean structure, will be doing the rest of its climbing in the public eye.

In contrast to the heavily orchestrated ceremonies of past years — white doves taking flight (they turned out to be homing pigeons) and a 20-ton cornerstone being set into place (it had to be picked up again and moved off site) — the latest milestone was noted quite modestly by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

Rather than staging speeches, the agency simply handed out prepared, two-sentence statements from Anthony R. Coscia, the chairman, and Christopher O. Ward, the new executive director.

One World Trade Center, also called the Freedom Tower, broke through the street-level barrier on Saturday when workers for DCM Erectors attached new sections atop two of the 24 jumbo columns that form the building’s perimeter. The additional steel brought the columns to a height of about 15 feet above grade. The authority said the 22 other columns were expected to sprout through May, June and July. Tishman Construction Corporation is the construction manager for the project, which is to be completed in 2012.

For now, the best vantages of the rising columns are either from the corner of Washington and Vesey Streets (through a chain-link fence) or from within the second-floor gallery of the Winter Garden at Battery Park City. If you wait long enough, however, you won’t have any trouble seeing the structure from almost any nearby vantage. And if you wait longer than that, you won’t be able to avoid seeing it from almost anywhere, since it will be the tallest in New York City.

Lecom
May 20, 2008, 4:35 PM
It will be a real reason to celebrate when the full floor fleshes out above grade, rather than two sticks of steel. Now that will be real progress. Still, better than nothing.

And that West Street streetwall is looking nice, with the Visionaire completed.

ZZ-II
May 20, 2008, 7:03 PM
i'm really interested to know when the first whole floor is above streetlevel, hopefully not just in August or so

Lecom
May 20, 2008, 7:38 PM
I'm taking a shot in the dark here, but I guess it should actually be completed around early August. The first floor is possibly the most complex. The rest of the base, with all the technical floors and special reinforcement, should take a while too, but once we get past the "cube" of the base, the office floors should climb much faster.

timba86
May 20, 2008, 9:36 PM
I'm taking a shot in the dark here, but I guess it should actually be completed around early August. ...

That long?? For one floor? Wow I didn't know it would go that slow in the beginning?

America 117
May 20, 2008, 9:48 PM
Yes, that was one of the aspects of the Trade Center that I liked the most. I remember when I was younger I though the underground features of the complex were the most amazing thing ever. Of course, I still do to a degree. I don't know, underground stations, garages, and malls have always been appealing to me. That's why I look foward to walking this concourse.

theres just something really cool about underground malls :D

Kamatzu
May 21, 2008, 12:37 AM
That long?? For one floor? Wow I didn't know it would go that slow in the beginning?
Funny, I thought the exact opposite. Haha, I was expecting it would be much later than August. Can't wait for this to shoot for the sky!

To quote a good friend from the 90's, "To infinity, and beyond!"

America 117
May 21, 2008, 1:15 AM
i heard that the freedom tower will be the tallest all office building in the world
im not sure if its true.

Dac150
May 21, 2008, 1:24 AM
i heard that the freedom tower will be the tallest all office building in the world
im not sure if its true.

It will be the tallest office building in the United States.

aluminum
May 21, 2008, 1:45 AM
^ If measered by spire height, which other all-office building is taller than FT ?

America 117
May 21, 2008, 1:51 AM
if you go to the drawings in this wedsite it has the freedom tower as the 3erd
tallest building in the world

America 117
May 21, 2008, 1:52 AM
^ If measered by spire height, which other all-office building is taller than FT ?

nun
if you count the spire it is the tallest all office building in the world

Dac150
May 21, 2008, 1:52 AM
^ If measered by spire height, which other all-office building is taller than FT ?

:rolleyes: (We measure by spire height, making the FT the tallest office building in the United States once completed).

America 117
May 21, 2008, 2:01 AM
:rolleyes: (We measure by spire height, making the FT the tallest office building in the United States once completed).

and in north and south america

Chicagoguy
May 21, 2008, 2:21 AM
can we please just get on topic
i understand but please back on topic

Alright agreed back to topic. So I know there is going to be a restaurant on the 102 floor of Freedom. Is that the top floor? I have heard so many different floor counts it is hard to be sure which is right. Every website is different!

America 117
May 21, 2008, 2:26 AM
im not sure but i bet ny guy knows
last i heard it was a floor awey from the top

Chicagoguy
May 21, 2008, 2:31 AM
im not sure but i bet ny guy knows
last i heard it was a floor awey from the top

Ok cool...I am hoping that it will be a good place to eat that I will have to check out once the tower is finished! I am glad New York is finally building and proposing supertall's again. For the longest time I didnt think New York would try anymore!

Kamatzu
May 21, 2008, 2:56 AM
Wikipedia says the 100th and 101st floors will be the restaurant, but be warned that Wikipedia isn't always current or correct.

Part of me is hoping they'll rename it to the effect of "Windows on the World." Though, of course, I'll have to eat at that tourist trap regardless of the name. =P

antinimby
May 21, 2008, 3:00 AM
http://www.panynj.gov/wtc/images/wtc_lease_1wtca_main1.jpghttp://www.panynj.gov/wtc/images/wtc_lease_1wtca_main2.jpg

BrandonJXN
May 21, 2008, 4:05 AM
I've always wondered why this building needs so many mechicanical floors.

Chicagoguy
May 21, 2008, 4:42 AM
I've always wondered why this building needs so many mechicanical floors.

All large buildings of that sort need that many mechanical floors. Its crazy and I dont really know why but thats the way it is!

Zerton
May 21, 2008, 5:33 AM
^ It seems almost as if they made really large floors just to drive up the height, which is a good thing.

aluminum
May 21, 2008, 5:43 AM
^ Yeah, and don't forget they also used a 408' tall stick on top just to drive up the official height even more, which is also a good thing.

timba86
May 21, 2008, 3:24 PM
I've always wondered why this building needs so many mechicanical floors.

I'm not a structural engineer (but I have a great interest for Architecture so I'm learning) and English is not my native language so:
by mechanical floors, do you mean the floors closest to the top, that seems to be unoccupied in the drawing?

Scruffy
May 21, 2008, 5:05 PM
yes. those are the mechanical floors in question. Typically housing elevator motor rooms, HVAC Central Units which on a building this size are themselves very sizable. Water tanks for Fire prevention system. Also takes up a lot of room. These are at the top of the building so that gravity will provide pressure in case of powerloss. and some kind of damper system to combat and reduce building sway in high winds. Anything else I forget that goes in the attic Mechanical space?

That being said, the amount of space in this tower does seem a bit excessive. It may just be the roomiest mechanical space in NY

Dac150
May 21, 2008, 5:14 PM
Does anyone know whether or not Morgan Stanley will be returning to the Trade Center, if not the FT, one of the others? I'd be curious to see who makes a return and who doesn't. I know an Asian investment/real estate company will be leasing to two top (office) floors.

timba86
May 21, 2008, 5:52 PM
yes. those are the mechanical floors in question. Typically housing elevator motor rooms, HVAC Central Units which on a building this size are themselves very sizable. Water tanks for Fire prevention system. Also takes up a lot of room. These are at the top of the building so that gravity will provide pressure in case of powerloss. and some kind of damper system to combat and reduce building sway in high winds. Anything else I forget that goes in the attic Mechanical space?

That being said, the amount of space in this tower does seem a bit excessive. It may just be the roomiest mechanical space in NY

Thank you, I think you couldn't have made it any clearer than that.

The new WTC is said to be the safest building once completed. Maybe this is why they made some extra room in those mechanical floors for some extra/improved safety features??

America 117
May 21, 2008, 10:30 PM
i wonder how many differnt companys are in the ft

America 117
May 21, 2008, 10:45 PM
Thank you, I think you couldn't have made it any clearer than that.

The new WTC is said to be the safest building once completed. Maybe this is why they made some extra room in those mechanical floors for some extra/improved safety features??

i heard it was going to be the safest building in the world not just in the us

37TimPPG
May 22, 2008, 12:24 AM
i heard it was going to be the safest building in the world not just in the us

The NYPD made sure of that. I think they (NYPD) had the Architects go back to the design board 2 or 3 seperate times to address "safety issues."

I think that is why the first 200+ feet of the building is "Mechanical Systems?" NYPD was worried about some nut with a truck bomb or other explosive device.
:whip:

One thing is for certain, the PA has the lower third of FT resembling a bunker!

CHAPINM1
May 22, 2008, 12:59 AM
The bunker won't just be empty space, out of the 200 feet it consists of, the lower 80 feet will be the coolest lobby a building will have since it will be like walking into an atrium, and the 120 feet above that will be for mechanical use. Keep in mind that in the other WTC Tower 1, the lower 10 floors or so were mechanical. I think the base will be awesome and for a base of this sort was very well designed for it's kind, especially at night, it will be cool being in the plaza seeing the light from the base glowing and changing colors...

NYC4Life
May 22, 2008, 1:33 AM
It's good to see the 1st beams reach above street level. Now real progress can be claerly visible and it's only a matter of months before this one will start rising.

America 117
May 22, 2008, 1:39 AM
The bunker won't just be empty space, out of the 200 feet it consists of, the lower 80 feet will be the coolest lobby a building will have since it will be like walking into an atrium, and the 120 feet above that will be for mechanical use. Keep in mind that in the other WTC Tower 1, the lower 10 floors or so were mechanical. I think the base will be awesome and for a base of this sort was very well designed for it's kind, especially at night, it will be cool being in the plaza seeing the light from the base glowing and changing colors...

sounds great. There will also be a light show at the top of the antena
the FT will also be the 4th tallest building in the world

NYguy
May 22, 2008, 4:53 AM
^ Yeah, and don't forget they also used a 408' tall stick on top just to drive up the official height even more, which is also a good thing.

Actually, the 408' stick on the top is to house a replacement for the antenna lost on 9/11 for the area broadcasters. But the original plan was to take that height up to 2,100 ft. Still, the 1,776 ft mark was a specific mark set by master planner Daniel Libeskind, which led governor Pataki to side with him in that battle. That meant that the height could be no less, but no more either. So, it depends on your point of view, is the glass half full, or half empty?

aluminum
May 22, 2008, 5:08 AM
the FT will also be the 4th tallest building in the world

Incorrect. Burj Dubai, Chicago Spire, Abraj Al Bait Towers, China 117 Tower, Doha Convention Center Tower are all officially U/C and Russia Tower, Shanghai Center, and many others are under 'site prep' status and can go U/C anyday now. All the above skyscrapers are officially taller than 1776'. Even if measured by spire height, FT will barely make it in the top 10 list. Even if it does, it won't stay in the top 10 for more than an year as more giants are on the way...

I don't hate FT, I just like to get the facts straight.

NYguy
May 22, 2008, 6:04 AM
Even if measured by spire height, FT will barely make it in the top 10 list but for a very short period of time as more giants are on the way...

Which, as we know was never the point. The 1,776 ft height was given for a very specific reason.

2-TOWERS
May 22, 2008, 2:09 PM
by looking at the floors the observatory deck will be lower then the original one looks like 102 vs 107 to bad they couldn't make it the top floor, oh well

Ebola
May 22, 2008, 3:26 PM
By the way, it is still the tallest office building in the world. Prove me wrong. They say that the complex will be the biggest office complex in the world again. High class office space is proof of power, not a plethora of cheesy-looking res/condo towers. You look at lots of other cities and nearly all of their tallest buildings are all non-office, while in NY, as of now, all of the tallest are office, with the unbuilt MoMA Tower and unbuilt 99 Church and Sunflower Tower as exceptions. Maybe that trend here is ending because of a need for more space. I also doubt that the Freedom Tower will remain the tallest in NY for more than a decade.