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STR
Nov 10, 2010, 6:44 AM
From top right to lower left:
1) The remaining southern bridge from the WFC to the original WTC, as far as I can tell, it will be demolished as part of Brookfield properties renovation of the WFC.

2) This will be the western half (the eastern half being under the DB building) of an elevated park which will feature a restored St. Nicholas Chuch (assuming they haven't pissed off the PA enough to eminent domain their asses off the island) and an elevated park situated over underground infrastructure, including the freight ramp into the Trade Center.

3) No idea, looks like it's either part of the memorial complex or the subway.

4) A blanket over the 4WTC substructure.

5) Temporary reinforcing beams that are keeping the eastern bathtub foundation from collapsing until they finish the substructure for 2WTC. The below-grade floors will, by themselves, support the tub permanently.

jthornton17
Nov 10, 2010, 7:10 AM
It looks like they're going to top out the building way before it's close to being ready to open. Does anyone know what the schedule is for completion, after the steel top out? I know 2013 is the final date of completion, but when will they get to floor 105?(if that's still the top floor)

winlinmac001
Nov 10, 2010, 7:20 AM
@STR, thank you! :)

The tower is suppose to top out by late-2011 (fourth quarter of 2011 w)-or-early-2012

jthornton17
Nov 10, 2010, 7:47 AM
@STR, thank you! :)

The tower is suppose to top out by late-2011 (fourth quarter of 2011 w)-or-early-2012

Thanks! So it will be close on 9/11 for the ten year mark.

JoePDX
Nov 10, 2010, 8:33 AM
As tall as it looks at the moment, we are only about one-third the way up to the roof.

Something is not adding up if they are on the 46th floor and its a third of a way to the top of the roof? That would make the building 138 stories to the roof. Also if they are on the 46th floor and you compare it to the height of WTC 7, which is 52 stories, WTC 1looks like its too short compared to WTC 7 to be 46 stories now,,,anyone?

JoePDX
Nov 10, 2010, 8:43 AM
Can somebody please explain the objects circled in the photo below (i.e. purpose). Thank you.
Also, there are some white markers placed on 1 WTC and I don't if they are meant to keep the glass properly positioned. If someone can clarify that would be great. Thanks.

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/6234/975308s1300x600.jpg (http://img824.imageshack.us/i/975308s1300x600.jpg/)

Just a thought. Has anyone thought yet how we are going to keep all this water out of our coastal cities as sea levels rise with glacier melt and global warming? It seems like we already have to take precautions and create bathtubs to keep out the Hudson. I can just imagine what a sea level rise is going to do. I just wondered how much planning and research is going into this now. Will they perhaps build a sea-gate like structure in the narrows coming into New York Harbor for instance?

STR
Nov 10, 2010, 9:06 AM
^Umm...because the ocean won't, under any probable circumstance, elevate the 12 feet it needs to get into and waterlog Manhattan.

Obey
Nov 10, 2010, 11:42 AM
So will we be seeing cladding going up this week?

NYguy
Nov 10, 2010, 2:31 PM
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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4152/5162257221_c47dbae755_b.jpg

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Just a reminder folks, the topic here is Freedom Tower / One World Trade Center and its construction.

sw5710
Nov 10, 2010, 5:40 PM
Something is not adding up if they are on the 46th floor and its a third of a way to the top of the roof? That would make the building 138 stories to the roof. Also if they are on the 46th floor and you compare it to the height of WTC 7, which is 52 stories, WTC 1looks like its too short compared to WTC 7 to be 46 stories now,,,anyone?

The 1/3 point to the roof was about floors 39,40 or 439' and 453'. The 1/3 point to the top of the spire is on floor 50. For your 2nd question Floors 52 in both 1WTC and 7WTC are at different elivations compared to eachother. In part due to the base height and the 1st office floor 20 of 1WTC. The floor height and mechanical floors and how they are spaced in both building

Plokoon11
Nov 10, 2010, 5:57 PM
God damn it I hate when people quote pictures I almost thought it was a new picture of awaited glass! Oh well.

OneWorldTradeCenter
Nov 10, 2010, 6:47 PM
Why is the steel of the 21st floor white and the other steel above brown? Is there concrete around it now?

Draegen
Nov 10, 2010, 7:03 PM
Why is the steel of the 21st floor white and the other steel above brown? Is there concrete around it now?That's Fireproofing

RKOwens44
Nov 10, 2010, 7:18 PM
Something is not adding up if they are on the 46th floor and its a third of a way to the top of the roof? That would make the building 138 stories to the roof. Also if they are on the 46th floor and you compare it to the height of WTC 7, which is 52 stories, WTC 1looks like its too short compared to WTC 7 to be 46 stories now,,,anyone?

The 1/3rd mark was passed a long time ago, on floor 40. Also, 7WTC is designated as being 52 stories tall but this has always made no sense to me. It should be called 56 stories tall. The highest office floor is the 52nd floor and it's the last floor that the elevators travel to, but in the original Twin Towers, the 110th floor was the roof. I've been up top on 7WTC and after you get off the elevator on 52, you walk up a flight of stairs to a doorway with a plaque beside it that even SAYS "53" on it, and when you go through the door it's just a huge mechanical room covering 95% of the floor and there's a very narrow walkway around it, with no ceiling. And the mechanical floors themselves are three stories, with the REAL roof on top. So, adding the three mechanical floors on top of the highest office floor, it should be 53, 54, and 55, and then using the same logic applied to the Twin Towers, the roof should be 56.

So, yeah, the logic that goes into the desgination of floor numbers often makes no sense at the WTC. 7WTC is said to be 52 stories when it's really more like 56, and 1WTC is 105 stories when it really should be more like 95 or so!

STR
Nov 10, 2010, 9:07 PM
^Not entirely true. The roof was not the 110th floor in the WTC (that was a gimmick used by Sears for its 108 story tower), there was an actual 110th floor, 10.5 feet from the ceiling/110floor slab to the roof at the edge of the level (the roof wasn't flat,). As far as I can tell wasn't used for much aside from storing the window washing robots when not in use, some TV boadcasting, and maybe random miscellaneous maintenance storage, mostly due to how the hat truss had multiple diagonal beams on that level, which made moving around a bit difficult since you had to keep ducking under/stepping over the beams in certain parts of the floor.

CloserToTheSky
Nov 10, 2010, 9:41 PM
Great project and great progress.

uaarkson
Nov 10, 2010, 9:59 PM
Will you people ever drop floor count and actual heights? STR made it pretty clear that it's a pointless obsession.

Zapatan
Nov 10, 2010, 10:18 PM
Something is not adding up if they are on the 46th floor and its a third of a way to the top of the roof? That would make the building 138 stories to the roof. Also if they are on the 46th floor and you compare it to the height of WTC 7, which is 52 stories, WTC 1looks like its too short compared to WTC 7 to be 46 stories now,,,anyone?


In this case it's because there are no floors 7-19 in the tower, so the 20th floor is only 186 feet off the ground while 7wtc's would be much higher. But in many other cases like that it is normally because of ceiling heights, the number of floors does not at all say how tall a building is

a 50 story building could theoretically be the same height as a 100 story building if it had about 20 feet of space between each floor while the 100 story tower had maybe 10 , they would both be 1000 footers.

NYguy
Nov 11, 2010, 12:30 AM
NOVEMBER 10, 2010

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NYguy
Nov 11, 2010, 12:35 AM
Part II (NOVEMBER 10, 2010)

NOVEMBER 10, 2010

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sw5710
Nov 11, 2010, 4:01 AM
The Discovery channels camera on 7WTC is the best for clearly looking at the construction on top of 1WTC.

Domamania
Nov 11, 2010, 4:22 AM
The Discovery channels camera on 7WTC is the best for clearly looking at the construction on top of 1WTC.

Can you please give me the thred to that cam. PLEASE.

Obey
Nov 11, 2010, 4:50 AM
SO will we be seeing cladding going up this week?

sw5710
Nov 11, 2010, 5:04 AM
Can you please give me the thred to that cam. PLEASE.

Do an internet search for. "Discovery Channel Rebuilding Ground Zero" the cam view will pop up in the upper right when the page is up.

Draegen
Nov 11, 2010, 5:17 AM
This camera is amazing!

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/the-rising/ground-zero-pictures.html

sw5710
Nov 11, 2010, 5:34 AM
Its the 2nd camera . The view from WTC 7.

winlinmac001
Nov 11, 2010, 6:19 AM
You know...as this Tower goes up, and as the floor dimensions get smaller and smaller, I bet construction work will accelerate. :tup:

sw5710
Nov 11, 2010, 7:05 AM
I thought the same thing.

CloserToTheSky
Nov 11, 2010, 8:31 AM
I very doubt about this.

sw5710
Nov 11, 2010, 9:02 AM
We shall se.

MadGnome
Nov 11, 2010, 12:24 PM
You know...as this Tower goes up, and as the floor dimensions get smaller and smaller, I bet construction work will accelerate. :tup:

Not that much. You have farther to lift everything and the concrete won't cure any faster. There will be less steel, but erecting the steel doesn't really take that much time.

NYguy
Nov 11, 2010, 1:57 PM
It's rising at a pretty good pace as it is now. These things don't go up overnight.


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RKOwens44
Nov 11, 2010, 5:30 PM
Slightly OT, but has anyone seen that Barclay's commercial that takes place right outside the lobby of 7WTC? I wasn't entirely sure if it was 7WTC or not until about the 100th time I saw the commercial. But you can clearly see the reflection of the Post Office building in the reflection in the glass. Pretty cool. :)

Draegen
Nov 11, 2010, 6:14 PM
Hey STR do you think you could get a pic of 1WTC and the Empire State Building together? :yes:

OneWorldTradeCenter
Nov 11, 2010, 7:31 PM
:previous: Yes those two in one pic were great!

Cool Shots NYGuy, the building looks very huge now.

eXodius
Nov 11, 2010, 7:37 PM
Is this glass, or some sort of elevator? Didn't see it there earlier today, so apologies for getting any hopes up if I'm wrong:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/340/possibleglass.png (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/possibleglass.png/)

uakoops
Nov 11, 2010, 7:43 PM
Is this glass, or some sort of elevator? Didn't see it there earlier today, so apologies for getting any hopes up if I'm wrong:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/340/possibleglass.png (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/possibleglass.png/)

It's an elevator. There are four there, 2 on either side of the tower. Same setup on the other side of the building also.

MaximSokol
Nov 11, 2010, 7:45 PM
I'm afraid it's just an elevator...
Can't wait for the cladding! Oh...:worship:

Plokoon11
Nov 11, 2010, 7:47 PM
Yeah sadly its some elevator. But speaking of glass, when the heck are they going to put them in this suspense is killing me, I mean there had to be a reason for moving the netting up/off on the fire proofed floors.

Pbellamy
Nov 11, 2010, 11:45 PM
I Have to say I like having the netting gone... It's cool to see the fireproofed steel. We get see a bit more of the structure of the tower this way. I'd like to see a few floors of fireproofing before the glass so that the messy paint doesn't get near the shiny clean facade.

Enjoy every stage of the process... The glass will come and it will be there a long time.

NYguy
Nov 12, 2010, 5:26 AM
Enjoy every stage of the process... The glass will come and it will be there a long time.

Exactly. While I am pleased we will be seeing the glass soon, I don't understand this minute to minute obsession with it. Expect to see it before Christmas,
and be pleasantly surprised when it appears. Meanwhile, enjoy the continuing climb of the buildng as it slowly makes its mark on the skyline.


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NYonward
Nov 12, 2010, 3:53 PM
This is actually good news as the writer points out. If Durst didn't think the tower could get the higher rents in the open market he would certainly come down on the rates for the government tenants...

Real Estate Weekly

Durst reveals that state tenants will likely not occupy 1 WTC

Daniel Geiger
11/4/2010

Rents in building too expensive to be economical for the state Durst says as deal with Conde to fill 1 million s/f progresses

Douglas Durst, the patriarch of one of Manhattan’s most successful real estate families who is negotiating with the Port Authority to become an equity partner in One World Trade Center, said that state tenants might not take space in the 2.6 million square foot tower after all.

Speaking at a real estate conference organized by the financial reporting and media firm Bloomberg LLP in midtown this morning, Durst, who is head of the real estate development and investment company the Durst Organization, projected that the tower’s rents would be about $70 per square foot, too expensive for state tenants.

When One World Trade Center was first conceived, state and Port Authority officials said that government tenants both on the federal and state level would lease hundreds of thousands of square feet of the tower’s space in what was essentially a government subsidy to make the over $3 billion tower financially viable.

Although the Port Authority was able to structure a non-binding agreement with the General Services Administration, the government office that handles leasing for federal tenants, in the years following 9/11 when plans to rebuild the site were originally drawn, the state’s commitment and what tenants it had in mind to occupy the tower remained murky.

There has been speculation before that government tenants might not occupy as much of One World Trade’s square footage as originally envisioned, but Durst’s statements are among the first from someone so closely involved in the building to seemingly confirm that the state will not move in.

“The state would have to sign a lease at rents that are higher than what they’d have to pay at other buildings and doesn’t make economic sense,” Durst said.

Federal tenants would likely still take space in the building, Durst said, noting that that arrangement made sense because “the building was designed and built to their specifications.” It still isn’t clear what federal offices will move into One World Trade but Durst said that the roster that may have originally been envisioned might also be in flux to “more business-oriented types of tenants than originally planned.”

The good news, of course, is that One World Trade Center no longer appears in such desperate need of public sector occupants. Conde Nast, which currently has its headquarters in a Durst-owned tower in midtown, Four Times Square, is negotiating to take about one million square feet in One World Trade in a deal that overnight appeared to reverse the building’s image as a white elephant. Durst said that between the federal tenants, Conde Nast, and a deal with the Chinese real estate company Vantone that was arranged in 2009, nearly two million of the tower’s 2.6 million square feet had been leased.

The Bloomberg real estate reporter David Levitt, who moderated the panel that Durst was participating on, noted that the remaining 600,000 square feet of space suddenly made what had initially seemed like a daunting leasing assignment far more manageable.

Durst said that leasing of the remaining space, which is situated in the upper portion of the 1,776-foot tall building and will likely command higher rents because of its views, would be now be done at a more patient pace to allow the Manhattan office market to continue to improve and the building to hopefully fetch those higher rents.

Though the building is scheduled to be ready for occupancy in 2013, but Durst said that the vacant 600,000 square feet wouldn’t likely get filled until 2015, in part also because it will take time to build out the space to prepare it for occupancy.

Durst said that both his deal to invest about $100 million to become an equity partner and the lease transaction to bring Conde into One World Trade Center were both progressing.


http://www.rew-online.com/news/story.aspx?id=1113

RKOwens44
Nov 12, 2010, 6:22 PM
Cool new video from inside 1WTC:

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/rise-of-freedom/index.html

Bucktown718
Nov 12, 2010, 6:23 PM
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urbanlife
Nov 12, 2010, 7:09 PM
Wow, they are actually constructing this tower...I honestly thought they were still in the foundation phase of doing nothing.

OneWorldTradeCenter
Nov 12, 2010, 7:32 PM
Wow, they are actually constructing this tower...I honestly thought they were still in the foundation phase of doing nothing.

That would be not acceptable for the developers and the whole city. There is too much public pressure to get this thing done.

sw5710
Nov 12, 2010, 9:21 PM
New steel 564' to steel splice on floor 48.

NYguy
Nov 12, 2010, 10:29 PM
This is actually good news as the writer points out. If Durst didn't think the tower could get the higher rents in the open market he would certainly come down on the rates for the government tenants...

It was my wish that all the government offices be moved to the Port Authority tower (tower 4). There's about a third of the space left there, assuming the City takes its third. That would leave more typical tenants for an office building of this type - meaning those who could pay the higher rents. Durst also said they would be keeping the top floors off the market until 2015, when presumably rents would be higher.

Don098
Nov 12, 2010, 11:00 PM
I absolutely love that shot, Bucktown...

Romanwtc
Nov 13, 2010, 5:35 AM
Its nice seeing the new World Trade Center rise..
but i miss the Twin Towers so much!

jthornton17
Nov 13, 2010, 6:20 AM
New steel 564' to steel splice on floor 48.

It's going to be huge when they get to the 50th floor and should before December...........I think. Amazing this thing is almost a 50 story tower already.

sw5710
Nov 13, 2010, 6:39 AM
I wonder what each one of those vertical 26'4" beams weigh that they are installing for floor 47,48?

JoePDX
Nov 13, 2010, 8:55 AM
It's going to be huge when they get to the 50th floor and should before December...........I think. Amazing this thing is almost a 50 story tower already.

But its not really almost "50 floors" is it? I mean look at all the buildings that are all still much taller around it. These are all not 50 floor buildings. I think the way that WTC1 is numbering its floors is misleading. And, there can not be that much difference in floor size between WTC1 and the buildings around it. Does no one think in that last shot its looks pretty short for an almost 50 story building?

NYCLuver
Nov 13, 2010, 9:09 AM
November 12th, 2010

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Plokoon11
Nov 13, 2010, 12:46 PM
Apparently corner cladding has arrived.

MadGnome
Nov 13, 2010, 2:06 PM
But its not really almost "50 floors" is it? I mean look at all the buildings that are all still much taller around it. These are all not 50 floor buildings. I think the way that WTC1 is numbering its floors is misleading. And, there can not be that much difference in floor size between WTC1 and the buildings around it. Does no one think in that last shot its looks pretty short for an almost 50 story building?

The tallest WFC buildings (the ones with the green tops) are 50 and 54 floors.
WTC 7 is 52 floors.
WTC1 floor numbers from 20 on up are apparently measured from the lowest part of the structure, 70 some feet below ground level.

hunser
Nov 13, 2010, 3:21 PM
:previous: the old 7WTC (174m) had 47 floors and the new 7WTC (226m) has actually 56 floors if you take the mechanical floors into consideration. so i don't understand what's all the fuss about 1WTC cheating with floor numbers.

Hey STR do you think you could get a pic of 1WTC and the Empire State Building together? :yes:

that would be great! :tup:

eXodius
Nov 13, 2010, 3:44 PM
Looks like a 3rd floor has been fireproofed :)

JG1324
Nov 13, 2010, 3:45 PM
Looks like a 3rd floor has been fireproofed :)

Mhm. :D

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/6237/wtcz.jpg

NY-rob-NY
Nov 13, 2010, 3:47 PM
i think,this weekend they begining with the fassade,because at the floor 21,22 and 23 you cant see the black grid.:cheers:

JoePDX
Nov 13, 2010, 4:10 PM
The tallest WFC buildings (the ones with the green tops) are 50 and 54 floors.
WTC 7 is 52 floors.
WTC1 floor numbers from 20 on up are apparently measured from the lowest part of the structure, 70 some feet below ground level.

What? That makes no sense. Why are the the floors from 20 on up based on measurements 70 feet below ground level? Someone give me a schematic drawing? I'm aware that the base consists of a tall lobby and that there are no "floors" per say in the base and some of the tower, but dont they compensate this by numbering the actual floors based on how they would be numbered if the tower had 105 floors top to bottom?

Pbellamy
Nov 13, 2010, 4:39 PM
This thread is absolutely full of discussion on the height and floor numbering. Can we avoid going over this again?

There are lots of answers if you take a few minutes to search :yes:

Obey
Nov 13, 2010, 4:41 PM
This thread is absolutely full of discussion on the height and floor numbering. Can we avoid going over this again?

There are lots of answers if you take a few minutes to search :yes:

I agree. I never understand the constant bickering and questions about different heights. The buildings are what they are.

JoePDX
Nov 13, 2010, 4:46 PM
I agree. I never understand the constant bickering and questions about different heights. The buildings are what they are.

Im not bickering But there is no way, by looking at current pics of WTC1 placed against current buildings in the skyline, that it is close to 50 stories tall. Im just trying to clear up why its supposedly NOW 47-48s stories tall when it obviously isnt.

Zensteeldude
Nov 13, 2010, 5:48 PM
:previous: But it's not 48 floors high. They are erecting steel for the 47th and 48th floors.

They have to call each floor something, what number they give to a particular floor is really unimportant, except to the elevator manufacturer who has to make the numbered buttons.

One would be hard pressed to find a high rise building anywhere in the world with perfectly, consecutively numbered floors.

Just one of several reasions why the floor numbers don't mach the floor count:
The number 13 is considered unlucky in the western world so most buildings don't have a 13th floor. (By the way, neither does Tower One.):)

In some parts of China the number four is considered unlucky becouse the number four sounds very simmiler to the word death. So there would be no floors 4, 14, 24, etc.

STR
Nov 13, 2010, 7:33 PM
^Yeah, but Tower 1 doesn't have a 13th because they're skipping 7-19 inclusive. The old WTC buildings had 13th floors, except for maybe the hotel. I don't have any info on that building's scheme.

What? That makes no sense. Why are the the floors from 20 on up based on measurements 70 feet below ground level? Someone give me a schematic drawing? I'm aware that the base consists of a tall lobby and that there are no "floors" per say in the base and some of the tower, but dont they compensate this by numbering the actual floors based on how they would be numbered if the tower had 105 floors top to bottom?

I think they really just picked a nice round number. If they were going to use any logic, they'd probably count 13'4" increments from the lobby floor, which would put the office on about the 15th.

Actually, that's a pretty round number too. They should have gone with that. Oh well, they're not going to change it now.

The tallest WFC buildings (the ones with the green tops) are 50 and 54 floors.
WTC 7 is 52 floors.

Yeah, but the World Trade Center is using floors that are 13'4 to 13'6 high. The World Financial Center uses 12'6 floor heights. The original WTC used 12' floor heights. So 50 floors could mean anything from 600 feet to 675 feet.

sw5710
Nov 13, 2010, 8:01 PM
I understand different buildings have different floor heights. It may depend also where they start counting from. That is why things dont line up with Floors or feet from building to building. With 1WTC I just take the base from ground level to the start of floor 20 and compare that to the floors from 20 up to get an equivalent. The base comes out to near 14 or 15 office floors of 13'4'' in this building. Otherwise I think some kind of cladding or windows might be placed next week. but we have heard that before. Only they know the date!.

sw5710
Nov 13, 2010, 8:40 PM
It looks like they mix concrete with the fireproofing then apply it to the steel and smooth it out to look like concrete beams.

sw5710
Nov 13, 2010, 8:48 PM
I meant to say it looks like concrete was poured in form over the beams. it's smooth and you cant see the I-beam shape.

eXodius
Nov 13, 2010, 8:57 PM
To think this was how the site looked exactly a year ago. Amazing how much progress has been made this year!

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/8094/409314470953a4a6c235b.jpg (http://img703.imageshack.us/i/409314470953a4a6c235b.jpg/)

Draegen
Nov 13, 2010, 9:48 PM
In some parts of China the number four is considered unlucky becouse the number four sounds very simmiler to the word death. So there would be no floors 4, 14, 24, etc.Lol, did you watch the elevator documentary? :D

sw5710
Nov 13, 2010, 9:55 PM
I know it's off topic but did you know some hotels in vegas go from 39 to 60!.

STR
Nov 13, 2010, 10:12 PM
Lol, did you watch the elevator documentary? :D

It's not that obscure of a fact. "Four" in mandarin sounds a lot like the word for death. So...bad luck.

Hey STR do you think you could get a pic of 1WTC and the Empire State Building together? :yes:

The ESB isn't my work, so until I make one myself, I'm not going to stick it front and center in anything. You CAN compare 1WTC to another World's Tallest, albeit one I'm not quite done with.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4834/alittlelower.jpg

Zensteeldude
Nov 13, 2010, 10:17 PM
I meant to say it looks like concrete was poured in form over the beams. it's smooth and you cant see the I-beam shape.

The fire proofing is cement based and about 2 to 3 inches thick so it does hide much of the beam profile.

You may also be looking at columns with stiffener plates so either with or without fire proofing they look like box sections.

Lol, did you watch the elevator documentary? :D

Yes, but I also lived with a Zen Buddhist for three years, she happenes to be about 1/4 Chinese and lived in China working as an interpreter for 2 years.

Zerton
Nov 14, 2010, 12:59 AM
Where did you find this? Very cool graphic





http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4834/alittlelower.jpg

Aleks
Nov 14, 2010, 1:11 AM
^ i believe he made it ^

Obey
Nov 14, 2010, 4:24 AM
I just watched the movie Inside Job in theaters and there is a lot of scenes with the WTC site in it. Just thought you guys should know.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Nov 14, 2010, 4:45 AM
took these today,notice that the netting has now been removed from all sides

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/DSCN3875.jpg

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/DSCN3877-2.jpg

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/DSCN3877-2.jpg

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/DSCN3881-1.jpg

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/DSCN3882-1.jpg

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/DSCN3883-1.jpg

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/DSCN3885-1.jpg

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/DSCN3886.jpg

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/DSCN3887-1.jpg

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/DSCN3888-1.jpg

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/DSCN3889-1.jpg

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/DSCN3890-1.jpg

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/DSCN3891-1.jpg

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/DSCN3894-1.jpg

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/DSCN3895-1.jpg

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/DSCN3896-1.jpg

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/DSCN3897-1.jpg

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/DSCN3900-1.jpg

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/DSCN3903-2.jpg

STR
Nov 14, 2010, 5:24 AM
^ i believe he made it ^

Yeah, you'd think my reputation would precede me at this point, but...I guess not.

Troubadour
Nov 14, 2010, 6:39 AM
When they start cladding, are they going to start with the floor-windows and do the huge bottom pieces later, or will they start from the ground?

SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Nov 14, 2010, 7:21 AM
When they start cladding, are they going to start with the floor-windows and do the huge bottom pieces later, or will they start from the ground?

office floors first, base later

Crush_Buds
Nov 14, 2010, 7:58 AM
When they start cladding, are they going to start with the floor-windows and do the huge bottom pieces later, or will they start from the ground?

Interesting. Those last set of pics made me wonder the same thing.

westmc9th
Nov 14, 2010, 12:15 PM
Will the base cladding be the last thing to be done?
check out the piece of cladding that was delivered on the northeast side of the tower it has been unwrapped... is this the day we have all been waiting for???? :)

Update:First piece of cladding is up and shining bright. in the northeast corner

Pbellamy
Nov 14, 2010, 2:05 PM
Will the base cladding be the last thing to be done?
check out the piece of cladding that was delivered on the northeast side of the tower it has been unwrapped... is this the day we have all been waiting for???? :)

Update:First piece of cladding is up and shining bright. in the northeast corner

Yup ...

There it is :yes:

http://gallery.me.com/petebellamy/101573/Screen-20shot-202010-11-14-20at-209-01-30-20AM/web.jpg?ver=12897434600001

westmc9th
Nov 14, 2010, 2:10 PM
Yup ...

There it is :yes: Just visible... first cladding.. Think I'll take a walk for some proper pictures


So your going out to take some pics? Hopefully we will have some proper pics of it by this afternoon from you and other people, anyone think the other 2 pieces will go up today

Mr. Lion
Nov 14, 2010, 2:18 PM
Yeah, you'd think my reputation would precede me at this point, but...I guess not.

you kind went off the radar for a while there man

Domamania
Nov 14, 2010, 2:32 PM
I cant see the cladding for anything, can some one point it out to me on where the first piece of cladding is?

Mr. Lion
Nov 14, 2010, 2:36 PM
I cant see the cladding for anything, can some one point it out to me on where the first piece of cladding is?

the very edge of the tower tat is visible in the photo, on the lowest of the 3 exposed floors

Plokoon11
Nov 14, 2010, 2:42 PM
Cladding!!!!

Pbellamy
Nov 14, 2010, 3:06 PM
So your going out to take some pics? Hopefully we will have some proper pics of it by this afternoon from you and other people, anyone think the other 2 pieces will go up today

Yeah just grabbed a few quick shots and will post em up when I get back home... Path is a bit slow at the weekends(anyone would think there was construction).

FYI it's the floor 20 north east corner.

eXodius
Nov 14, 2010, 3:16 PM
Looks to be a pretty busy day today as more pieces look like they're being unwrapped (taken a minute ago):

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2769/morecladding.png (http://img168.imageshack.us/i/morecladding.png/)

Pbellamy
Nov 14, 2010, 3:23 PM
http://gallery.me.com/petebellamy/101573/P1040889/web.jpg?ver=12897480540001

Plokoon11
Nov 14, 2010, 3:23 PM
Today is the day to party, forever will November 14th be a holiday.

Pbellamy
Nov 14, 2010, 3:29 PM
A bit closer...

http://gallery.me.com/petebellamy/101573/P1040887_2/web.jpg?ver=12897484750001

Pbellamy
Nov 14, 2010, 3:59 PM
a few more...

http://gallery.me.com/petebellamy/101573/P1040889/web.jpg?ver=12897480540001

http://gallery.me.com/petebellamy/101573/P1040885/web.jpg?ver=12897484530001

http://gallery.me.com/petebellamy/101573/P1040887/web.jpg?ver=12897484610001

Zensteeldude
Nov 14, 2010, 4:00 PM
Thanks for the great visual aids !

Plokoon11
Nov 14, 2010, 4:01 PM
Just curious how do they install these windows/cladding to the building?

Pbellamy
Nov 14, 2010, 4:04 PM
This should help in answering that question...

http://gallery.me.com/petebellamy/101573/P1040889/web.jpg?ver=12897505750001

Zensteeldude
Nov 14, 2010, 4:08 PM
Just curious how do they install these windows/cladding to the building?

If you look at the pic in the post above this one you can see the brackets set into the edge of the floor slab. They just bolt em on.

Looks like they are getting ready to lift the first piece for the southeast corner. This one is in full view of the earthcam !

http://archives.earthcam.com/archive...gzrobotic1.jpg

kiwi4life
Nov 14, 2010, 4:11 PM
very nice love it, cant wait till we see a lot more