Phoenix CityScape Thread [Archive] - Page 76

HooverDam

Apr 3, 2013, 5:40 PM

Nice pics jjs5056! The view down Central is looking good.

I hope the surface parking lot on SE corner of Adams/central gets developed with something, maybe 4-5 stories in-fill.

You may recall during the boom there was rumors of an aLoft hotel going there, which would've been perfect. Nothing too tall can go there because the old Phelps Dodge building somehow has CC&Rs protecting their view to the north. So something of the scale you're talking about would be all that could go there.

Jjs5056

Apr 4, 2013, 2:44 AM

You may recall during the boom there was rumors of an aLoft hotel going there, which would've been perfect. Nothing too tall can go there because the old Phelps Dodge building somehow has CC&Rs protecting their view to the north. So something of the scale you're talking about would be all that could go there.

Yes, I was imagining an Aloft there the whole time I was strolling on Sunday. :( Any chance at that reviving? I think they are building one in Tucson now that had been postponed?!

A hotel would be perfect or lofts above retail. Office would be a waste... That area desperately needs some life to tie a few pieces together- the Convention center to the Hotels to Hannys to Monroe (Ghost Lounge (is that a real place?) and Seamus) to CityScape...

nickw252

Apr 11, 2013, 2:15 AM

Eight floor plates on the west side.

http://i47.tinypic.com/25810g6.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/104oy68.jpg

Any pictures from above AZScraper?

HX_Guy

Apr 11, 2013, 2:22 AM

Looking good! Thanks for keeping the update photos coming. :)

plinko

Apr 11, 2013, 3:42 AM

Hey! Milk is only $1.79 at Albertsons!

...oh wait, sorry...I got distracted...

PHX31

Apr 11, 2013, 3:51 AM

Hey! Milk is only $1.79 at Albertsons!

...oh wait, sorry...I got distracted...

Haha, worst. billboard. ever.

Vicelord John

Apr 11, 2013, 4:05 AM

That's the first thing I noticed too.

nickw252

Apr 11, 2013, 4:30 AM

Every time I post a picture from that angle you smart asses make a comment about the billboard :D

Arquitect

Apr 11, 2013, 6:21 AM

Hey! Milk is only $1.79 at Albertsons!

...oh wait, sorry...I got distracted...

The saddest part of this is that there isn't even an Albertson's in the complex!

Vicelord John

Apr 11, 2013, 11:14 AM

I fail to see how a normal use of billboard advertising is "sad".

exit2lef

Apr 11, 2013, 11:58 AM

It's sad because it's such an ordinary ad in what should be a major public space. When I think of big ads I remember seeing in Times Square, I don't think of milk for $1.79, I think of iconic ads such as Brooke Shields in her Calvin Klein jeans. Seeing mundane ads for grocery store sale prices just reinforces the perception that CityScape falls short in terms of being a defining public space for Phoenix. If CityScape were truly special, the ads there would be distinctive -- linked to major events and product launches rather than routine sale prices for commodity items. At least it's better than the one of the ads previously in that spot; it was for bail bonds.

Vicelord John

Apr 11, 2013, 1:32 PM

You guys are unrealistic sometimes. Billboard content is not location specific, and it's just a billboard.

This place shouldn't even be muttered in the sme sentence as Times Square.

dtnphx

Apr 11, 2013, 3:51 PM

You guys are unrealistic sometimes. Billboard content is not location specific, and it's just a billboard.

This place shouldn't even be muttered in the sme sentence as Times Square.

Amen. :tup:

plinko

Apr 11, 2013, 5:07 PM

You guys are unrealistic sometimes. Billboard content is not location specific, and it's just a billboard.

This place shouldn't even be muttered in the sme sentence as Times Square.

True, but I personally think billboards in general (I'm not talking about building mounted signage) are tacky and completely unnecessary. One of the best things about Tempe is that they don't allow them (there may be a few grandfathered locations). But as soon as you get into Phoenix or Mesa? Visual clutter of the worst variety.

To have such a thing sitting on top of the building at your downtown nexus? A new building at that? Deplorable.

exit2lef

Apr 11, 2013, 8:31 PM

You guys are unrealistic sometimes. Billboard content is not location specific, and it's just a billboard.

This place shouldn't even be muttered in the sme sentence as Times Square.

Advertisers pay premium prices for certain locations, but clearly CityScape is not among them if it's running ads for bail bonds and supermarket milk. Your comment about Times Square is essentially correct but only reinforces my point. The mundane ads on these billboards add to the impresion that CityScape is not much better than most suburban intersections in terms of its value to advertisers. From a PR point of view, it would be better for CityScape to have no billboards at all than to have ones that remind people of how it has failed to become the signature project its developers and enablers promised.

Vicelord John

Apr 11, 2013, 10:29 PM

advertisers pay premiums for certain locations... high visibility ones, which Cityscape is not, compared to, say, 16th street and Camelback.

nickw252

Apr 11, 2013, 10:34 PM

Elevator core is up one more level.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2yobmnl.jpg

AZScraper

Apr 18, 2013, 10:06 PM

I noticed today that the re-bars are a lot taller than the previous floors when they are at this stage. Does anyone else notice the longer length or is it just me? :koko:

http://i48.tinypic.com/300tf7l.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/2je9me.jpg

HX_Guy

Apr 18, 2013, 10:14 PM

How many floors are completed?

I believe the last floor is for the two story penthouse, so this may be the last floor they do and would explain the longer than normal rebar.

nickw252

Apr 18, 2013, 10:36 PM

How many floors are completed?

I believe the last floor is for the two story penthouse, so this may be the last floor they do and would explain the longer than normal rebar.

The rebar does look higher than one floor but I thought that they'd been doing 2 floors of rebar at a time. This shouldn't be the last floors. I believe they are 9 and 10. Maybe 10 and 11.

Edit: also, if this is as high as it's getting then there is a lot of space between the top of the building and the crane. If so,tThey could have used one or two fewer crane sections.

Vicelord John

Apr 18, 2013, 10:54 PM

any view of this building I would have from home is completely blocked by BofA tower.

nickw252

Apr 19, 2013, 2:38 AM

I noticed today that the re-bars are a lot taller than the previous floors when they are at this stage. Does anyone else notice the longer length or is it just me?

I looked at older pictures and in this one it looks like there was 2 floors of rebar also.

http://i50.tinypic.com/ddkz9z.jpg

AZScraper

Apr 19, 2013, 6:09 PM

It looks like they are on the 8th floor.

http://i48.tinypic.com/1enak3.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/fml2cj.jpg

nickw252

Apr 19, 2013, 7:28 PM

Looks like they've started to put up the framing for the walls in your top picture.

nickw252

Apr 20, 2013, 9:35 PM

This is from the courtyard north of the new Maricopa County Court Tower. I've never seen it from this view:

http://i34.tinypic.com/n3vqft.jpg

From the south:

http://i38.tinypic.com/29pfbyr.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/kdwvf6.jpg

From the east:

http://i34.tinypic.com/milzm1.jpg

As you can see in the pictures, they've started putting the framing for the exterior walls up on the lower levels.

Jjs5056

Apr 20, 2013, 11:07 PM

Awesome photos. This is going to look so, so much better upon completion than that horrid, original hotel base.

Nowmwe really need to get some action going on within the historic buildings to the South. One Subway at Luhs just isn't enough. I will post more in that actual thread, but what happened to all the other restaurants we had been promised?

While the design of CS sucks and there isn't any retail facing south on Jefferson, I have almost always found myself walking there to get to where I parked, etc. There is also a lot of foot traffic with the arenas, stadiums and so on. I think some businesses there would work out.

nickw252

Apr 21, 2013, 4:12 AM

Awesome photos. This is going to look so, so much better upon completion than that horrid, original hotel base.

Hah, I think you mean "hotel stump."

And yes, there's already a good amount of foot traffic. I was surprised to see as much as I did today (Saturday) without any big events going on. The foot traffic will only increase with 240+ residences on top of the hotel.

nickw252

Apr 21, 2013, 5:29 AM

I put the pics in this thread also, feel free to add to it:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=135681&page=3

azliam

Apr 21, 2013, 3:41 PM

Hah, I think you mean "hotel stump."

And yes, there's already a good amount of foot traffic. I was surprised to see as much as I did today (Saturday) without any big events going on. The foot traffic will only increase with 240+ residences on top of the hotel.

That may have been attributed to the Urban Wine Walk yesterday. I think they should have this more than 2 times a year.

dtnphx

Apr 21, 2013, 11:53 PM

i'm loving how the new apartments are starting to look. It looks as though that there will be balconies and it's really going to set off the hotel. I'm exited.

nickw252

Apr 22, 2013, 2:28 PM

Sunrise:

http://i38.tinypic.com/2cei0id.jpg

nickw252

Apr 22, 2013, 2:50 PM

i'm loving how the new apartments are starting to look. It looks as though that there will be balconies and it's really going to set off the hotel. I'm exited.

Unfortunately the renderings released by the developer do not show balconies. It's a big mistake in my opinion.

Arquitect

Apr 22, 2013, 7:42 PM

Unfortunately the renderings released by the developer do not show balconies. It's a big mistake in my opinion.

Honestly, sometimes I prefer for the projects to have no balconies instead of those really small balconies that we are seeing in projects like The Hub in Tempe. The balconies are so small that they become useless. Why would anyone go out into a 4' x 3' space?

HX_Guy

Apr 22, 2013, 7:59 PM

gymratmanaz

Apr 22, 2013, 8:07 PM

Fresh air, to have a cup of coffee, to get some sun, to decorate for the holidays, to grill, for plants, to relax....

Arquitect

Apr 22, 2013, 8:37 PM

Fresh air, to have a cup of coffee, to get some sun, to decorate for the holidays, to grill, for plants, to relax....

I agree, but these balconies are way too small for grilling or relaxing (you can't really fit a lawn chair). Smoking is indeed the best explanation, and in fact is what the construction workers use them for now.

I wish developers thought it out enough to have larger balconies that could actually accommodation some of the activities you mentioned. But instead they give us these shrunken spaces that don't make the facade look interesting, and rather look like they were tacked on after the fact.

dtnphx

Apr 22, 2013, 11:53 PM

Unfortunately the renderings released by the developer do not show balconies. It's a big mistake in my opinion.

I think you are right, but if you look at the photos above, the South and East shots show what looks like balconies and the northside overlooking the plaza at Cityscape, don't show any protrusions. Interesting....

nickw252

Apr 23, 2013, 1:09 AM

Honestly, sometimes I prefer for the projects to have no balconies instead of those really small balconies that we are seeing in projects like The Hub in Tempe. The balconies are so small that they become useless. Why would anyone go out into a 4' x 3' space?

I had a tiny balcony when I lived at Roosevelt Square (like 3' x 3') and I used it for container gardening and just fresh air. I really liked it. I would prefer much a tiny balcony over no balcony.

I am starting to think that some of these units may actually have balconies though. I've noticed that they seem to be putting up exterior walls in every other opening. Maybe there will be balconies (on the inside) in the openings where the walls aren't going up yet.

New pic:

http://i37.tinypic.com/ivflfp.jpg

HX_Guy

Apr 23, 2013, 1:25 AM

Looks pretty cool how thin it is like that from that angle.

nickw252

Apr 26, 2013, 7:40 PM

I think there may be balconies on the upper levels. Look at how the wall goes in but floor plate stays out on the east wall on the south corner:

http://i42.tinypic.com/34hw8ld.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/o9e83b.jpg

Also, on the south wall I'm starting to think that the reason they are doing every other wall section is for balconies to be between.

http://i41.tinypic.com/9fpji9.jpg

I really think the upper floors will be much more interesting and better looking than the hotel "stump." Look at the setbacks:

http://i42.tinypic.com/313rtpu.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/ab59c6.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/qzr9z4.jpg

nickw252

May 2, 2013, 1:36 PM

Sales office building permit. Why don't they just use the 1st floor office by the hotel lobby? Could they have something else up their sleeves that we don't know about? Such as condos above the apartments?

http://i41.tinypic.com/68tpud.jpg

combusean

May 2, 2013, 4:24 PM

^ The permit is to restore the part of the parking lot they tore up for the original sales office. It's just pavement work.

AZScraper

May 2, 2013, 10:23 PM

Talked a little bit to a construction worker today during lunch and he confirmed the pool is on the 12th floor southside and they are going to 26 floors. Here is a pic I took of it:
http://i41.tinypic.com/24mglyq.jpg

nickw252

May 11, 2013, 3:51 PM

Glass corners are going up:

http://i41.tinypic.com/28i98ua.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/6fsfpw.jpg

michael85225

May 11, 2013, 9:54 PM

HX_Guy

May 12, 2013, 1:11 AM

Love the way it looks from the east!

nickw252

May 12, 2013, 4:18 AM

^^^^^^
Great photos, I just wanna take a moment to thank you for all these picture updates. :cheers: I was supposed to head downtown for the cinco de mayo festival and take a few snapshots of CityScape myself but my plans changed.

Thanks, I,m glad people enjoy the updates. Btw, I was there this afternoon and the tower crane was running. It's the first time I've seen them working on a Saturday.

RichTempe

May 17, 2013, 4:45 PM

View looking south taken from the Central & Washington LRT station:

http://imageshack.us/a/img541/3893/20130517091243.jpg

PHX31

May 17, 2013, 5:59 PM

phxSUNSfan

May 17, 2013, 6:19 PM

So... it looks like they're just going to continue the bland facade up to the new portion of the tower?? Looks like it may possibly be a different/darker color though. The facade looked unbelievably cheap and lame when it was just the squat tower, but maybe with the added height the boring-ness will somehow look better where there is more of it.

No, it will have plenty of glass, but it will incorporate an element from the hotel portion. There is also a website for the "Residences at CityScape", though it is really only an informational/request for information page at this time. It does state "Apartments Coming Fall 2013".
http://cityscaperesidences.com/

http://azremagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/rsz_option_c_light.jpg

dtnphx

May 18, 2013, 2:23 AM

I actually like the rendering. There's a lot going on, but I think it works well together.

nickw252

May 18, 2013, 2:30 AM

I actually like the rendering. There's a lot going on, but I think it works well together.

I don't like what it looks like from the south but think the building will look great from the east.

N830MH

May 18, 2013, 4:01 AM

View looking south taken from the 1st St. & Washington LRT station:

You know where the station are? I remember where the LRT is. I haven't get on it for a long time.

I don't like what it looks like from the south but think the building will look great from the east.

I couldn't agree with you. I think the entire building is look good. I haven't visit Downtown PHX for a long time. I was extremely busy at work. I didn't have enough time. I have a job now.

RichTempe

May 18, 2013, 6:30 AM

You know where the station are? I remember where the LRT is. I haven't get on it for a long time.

The closest stop to CityScape going westbound is at Central & Washington and on the eastbound leg it's the 1st Ave. & Jefferson station.

N830MH

May 19, 2013, 3:34 AM

The closest stop to CityScape going westbound is at Central & Washington and on the eastbound leg it's the 1st Ave. & Jefferson station.

Gotcha! Thanks! I appreciate your help. I remember where it is. I haven't visit at downtown Phoenix for a long time.

nickw252

May 21, 2013, 3:29 AM

http://i41.tinypic.com/2nbvx3n.jpg

10 floors are up.

N830MH

May 21, 2013, 7:01 AM

Wow! Look good! I can't wait to be completed.

nickw252

May 23, 2013, 2:02 AM

http://i43.tinypic.com/5vumix.jpg

nickw252

May 23, 2013, 2:07 AM

http://i44.tinypic.com/behj5k.jpg

Jjs5056

May 23, 2013, 3:57 AM

Looking great, but from that last photo, it's clear that what downtown really needs is another brown building.

Ugh! So gross. Would love to see a portion of one of these lots filled with a nice midrise city target with urban loft apartments above, leaving the rest fit highrise development.

I think, pending price, CityScape will prove that there is demand for residential in that area. Roosevelt has a distinct market to reach with its more art-centric focus- perfect for live-work unts, small condo projects, student housing and so on. The CityScape area has the potential to attract a much broader market in my opinion with its close vicinity to bars, dining and entertainment at CS, sporting venues, nightlife along Washington, and employment centers. The closeness of the CC and future Pin (let's just pretend), as well as sporting venues, also make it perfect for the more corporate mix of retail, whle Roosevelt continues doing what it has done and draw local, unique businesses organically.

These are things downtown needs: a nice mix and something for all. I just really want to see more resdiential toward the southern end. I really want to see the following happen, especially after seeing what's going on in Tucson:
1) City Target beneath 6-8 stories of market rate apartments on portion of CS lot; leaving room for a high-end condotel in the future
2) 6-story apartments on Adams and Central above a Trader Joe's
3) 19-story student housing tower(s) on 2nd ave- former Jet property
4) Colliers Hotel pad
5) Luhrs hotel on Madison, with local restaurants filling up the retail strip for some non-chain variety, and hardware/dry cleaning/amenity

As the dreams continue:
6) Condotel adjacent to OCPE
7) Office above box-retail on VB between 3rd and 2nd
8) Mixed-style residential between Alta and RPointe; I'm thinking Farmer Ave in Tempe- brownstones, modern, etc.
9) Walgreens and/or Safeway/Fresh and Easy on the remaining land at RPointe as Roosevelt Ave fills in with more market rate apartments and condos to support these amenities

nickw252

May 23, 2013, 4:10 AM

I think, pending price, CityScape will prove that there is demand for residential in that area.

I actually thought 44 Monroe already did that. It was leased out after only a few months of being open. Hopefully the same happens at the Cityscape Residences and it spurs more high end residential downtown.

Jjs5056

May 23, 2013, 4:31 AM

You would think... But there hasn't been much action since 44 Monroe filled up. Maybe because it was a condo-gone-rental project that originally rented for under what might have been market rate because of that?

CityScape is the first high rise downtown built as rentals and is more south of 44 Monroek closer to empty lots ripe for development. I'm just being cautiously optimistic that a successful rental development will spur some more trust in that type of demand, as we nave only seen condo, student housing and senior/low income housing.

nickw252

May 23, 2013, 4:38 AM

Rendering of the north side on the cover of AZRE?

http://i43.tinypic.com/2u9igw2.jpg

phxSUNSfan

May 23, 2013, 7:01 AM

Rendering of the north side on the cover of AZRE?

So there will be balconies...it looks a little different from the renderings of the south elevation so that will be interesting to see how it comes together. There is more glass, so I think it will end up looking nice.

nickw252

Jun 4, 2013, 5:24 PM

Rebar for two more floors is up. I'll have to go by a little closer and see how many floors that puts it at.

N830MH

Jun 5, 2013, 12:10 AM

Rebar for two more floors is up. I'll have to go by a little closer and see how many floors that puts it at.

Great! Try to take a pictures for me. Thanks! :)

PhxER

Jun 5, 2013, 1:31 AM

Cityscape's Squid Ink Sushi Opening June 10th

Squid Ink Sushi will be open from 11 a.m. to midnight Monday through Thursday; 11 a.m to 2 a.m. Friday and Saturday; and 4 p.m. to midnight on Sunday.

Source (http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bella/2013/06/squid_ink_sushi_downtown_phoenix_restaurant_new_asian_late_night.php)

nickw252

Jun 7, 2013, 4:42 PM

http://i44.tinypic.com/357rlo7.jpg

A few more floors

PHX31

Jun 7, 2013, 5:49 PM

It is looking much better. The amount of increased height puts an impact on the skyline now and nicely fills in gaps, especially from that angle.

nickw252

Jun 7, 2013, 8:18 PM

http://i42.tinypic.com/j9rk91.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/zmxws5.jpg

kingofleos

Jun 7, 2013, 11:30 PM

It is looking much better. The amount of increased height puts an impact on the skyline now and nicely fills in gaps, especially from that angle.

One of my new favorite views of downtown is from the N/S bound portion of the I10, looking west at the buildings. Downtown actually looks like a real downtown now, especially from that angle.

HooverDam

Jun 8, 2013, 4:32 AM

Here's one I took today via Instagram while waiting for the train home:

http://i.imgur.com/SXKXKBq.jpg

Sure wish they'd add colored awnings to the damned Palomar while they've got this construction mess going on. CityScape is just so damned flat and grey.

nickw252

Jun 14, 2013, 7:20 PM

Looks like 12 floors are up and that they're working on the final two floors of penthouses. Now the block to the east of CityScape needs to be developed. It's a shame to have a surface parking lot occupying an entire city block in the heart of downtown.

http://i42.tinypic.com/of1s1g.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/2wn4gfs.jpg

phxSUNSfan

Jun 14, 2013, 8:13 PM

Looks like 12 floors are up and that they're working on the final two floors of penthouses. Now the block to the east of CityScape needs to be developed. It's a shame to have a surface parking lot occupying an entire city block in the heart of downtown.

Yes, that block needs to be developed...that lot and the lot directly to the south of it.

PHX31

Jun 14, 2013, 8:52 PM

Yes, that block needs to be developed...that lot and the lot directly to the south of it.

Yeah, the view from Arrogant Butcher is highly depressing.

We need that block to be developed (I wonder what happened to the new tower as mentioned below from March 2012... calling renone.), and the Colliers Center hotel needs to be developed - again, what happened with that? I thought there was at least some rumblings about it being resurrected.

My company has now seen proposals from both gollub and colliers for the two new proposed buildings. The colliers building is definitely going to be built, they already have enough tenants to build. The gollub building is still trying to get the green light.

The colliers building is nothing special. The first eight floors will be above ground parking and the building will be one of two building built on that site. the buildings will be staggered like renaissance so they both have views to the south. The second building will be built when it is economically feasible. The first building will be 30 stories. They alluded to the fact that the second pad at the current colliers building will be developed into a hotel in the "near future". Completion date of the new tower is January of 2015.

The gollub building is much more interesting and has a nice crown, outdoor balconies, and a small park with grass on the eight floor over the above ground parking. Gollub says it will be a downtown "icon". I like the deisgn, but the location will be a tough sell (200 west monroe). Gollub says that location will get better and better, and they mentioned that there will be an upcoming announcement about Hotel Monroe that will really help that area of downtown. I hope they are right, Hotel Monroe is a great building that needs some serious TLC.

nickw252

Jun 14, 2013, 10:57 PM

We need that block to be developed (I wonder what happened to the new tower as mentioned below from March 2012... calling renone.), and the Colliers Center hotel needs to be developed - again, what happened with that? I thought there was at least some rumblings about it being resurrected.

And the City Target that the City of Phoenix was talking about last year.

nickw252

Jun 15, 2013, 9:14 PM

http://i43.tinypic.com/vrdhsg.jpg

nickw252

Jun 16, 2013, 10:59 PM

I went to Blue Hound for brunch today and then checked out the hotel's pool. Got a pic of the construction from a different angle.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2us8p5f.jpg

NIXPHX77

Jun 17, 2013, 7:04 AM

Nice pix Nickw!

ASUSunDevil

Jun 20, 2013, 10:23 PM

http://i42.tinypic.com/of1s1g.jpg

Staring out at the giant surface lot (pictured) from Tilted Kilt's balcony is an absolutely terrible feeling. If Colliers doesn't get it together soon, I think going to lose it.

On a happier note, the Palomar apartments are looking fantastic and really add to the skyline. Thanks for all of the pics in this thread, Nick.

HooverDam

Jun 21, 2013, 12:39 AM

Staring out at the giant surface lot (pictured) from Tilted Kilt's balcony is an absolutely terrible feeling.

On a positive note, that terrible feeling is only half as bad as the one your intestines feel after eating at Tilted Kilt.

PHX31

Jun 21, 2013, 1:24 AM

On a positive note, that terrible feeling is only half as bad as the one your intestines feel after eating at Tilted Kilt.

Who says he's eating anything? ;)

But yeah, that surface lot is horrendous.

nickw252

Jun 21, 2013, 2:16 PM

Staring out at the giant surface lot (pictured) from Tilted Kilt's balcony is an absolutely terrible feeling. If Colliers doesn't get it together soon, I think going to lose it.

On a happier note, the Palomar apartments are looking fantastic and really add to the skyline. Thanks for all of the pics in this thread, Nick.

Every time I take a pic from that angle I try to crop out the parking lot. It could look worse. :yuck:

Im glad you're enjoying the pics. I'm actually working out of downtown this week so I'm looking forward to see what progress has been made next Monday when I return.

nickw252

Jun 24, 2013, 6:40 PM

Looks topped out. No more elevator core or rebar sticking up.

http://i42.tinypic.com/nbt4zo.jpg

AZScraper

Jun 24, 2013, 9:59 PM

I agree, it's topped out.
http://i40.tinypic.com/34ezrki.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/juwg9u.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2wel7vb.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2ch8ip.jpg

Leo the Dog

Jun 24, 2013, 10:51 PM

I feel bad for the people who lease an apartment with a south facing view.

HX_Guy

Jun 24, 2013, 10:58 PM

I feel bad for the people who lease an apartment with a south facing view.

Eh, north facing would actually be worse I think if you end up directly south of the other tower, then you have no view. At least with south you have South Mountain and a lot of open sky, plus you get to see all the planes. :D

Best would be a NE corner unit I think.

nickw252

Jun 25, 2013, 1:51 AM

I feel bad for the people who lease an apartment with a south facing view.

Meh, my office window faces south. I get to see the mountains and planes. It's not too bad. I agree though, northeast would probably be the best in Cityscape.

AZScraper

Jun 29, 2013, 12:49 AM

Here is your Friday pic of the roof.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2j0nwp0.jpg

nickw252

Jun 29, 2013, 1:29 AM

Thanks for the pics. Is the final count 14 floors above the hotel?

nickw252

Jul 7, 2013, 12:42 AM

http://i40.tinypic.com/2dad1kj.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/11htlk7.jpg

HX_Guy

Jul 7, 2013, 1:50 AM

Are they doing a checkered blue/grey pattern on that side? Looks pretty good, they should do that all around.

Glendeasy

Jul 12, 2013, 6:48 AM

nickw252

Jul 12, 2013, 1:45 PM

Coming together nicely. If anyone can recall, when this d'vlpmt was announced back in 06', it had stated that there would be a total of FOUR towers when all said and done. anyone have any updates on this?

The development was cut back due to the recession. Two towers is it. They also planned for a few floors of condos above the retail building. That's not happening either. With as bad as the recession was on Phoenix's residential and commercial real estate market, I think the development did pretty well. For a while it actually looked like we weren't even going to get the apartments above the Hotel Palomar.

Go back and browse this thread from the beginning. You'll get a good feel for how it was phased back.

michael85225

Jul 12, 2013, 11:04 PM

Damn I remember when this was announced, I was still in high school at the time and would go onto this website during lunch to check for updates. I was so excited when they announced tower 2 was going to be Phoenix's new tallest. I'm still happy to see progress being done, even if we didn't get a new tallest.

Glendeasy

Jul 13, 2013, 5:15 AM

Thanks Nick. Y'know, this bears a striking resemblance to the Centerpoint project in Tempe. Originally, it was going to be a four tower megaplex as well, but just barely made two towers. I imagine the current parking lot in question to CityScape will eventually get built out as it's too valuable just to have cars sit on it periodically throughout the day. My hope is to get more residential in the heart of DT. When you have the ppl, then everything else will come to cater to them.

Butta

Jul 14, 2013, 4:59 PM

Finally got around to head to cityscape, I know way behind the times, although I was surprised to see more restaurant and entertainment than expected, I thought the design leaves a lot to be desired, the multiple levels with no rhyme or reason, the design that pulls people away from the street is pretty sorry, also it's pretty hard to figure out where on the complex you are standing. This is all from a first time visitor's perspective. Not good news, and now I see why everyone in this forum is pretty disappointed with this development.

On another note, I ate at Arrogant Butcher and I thought it was meh. They should remove the more expensive items from the menu and keep the pub style food, such as burgers and sandwiches. This place is too casual to ask for $25 to $40 per entree. Their sandwich, burger and salad menu makes more sense here.

Lastly, it was Saturday night between 7 - 10 and it was kind of sad to see very few people at each establishment (stores, restaurants, etc.), and I think it was more crowded than usual due to the Dbacks game, not good.

ASUSunDevil

Jul 14, 2013, 7:26 PM

phxSUNSfan

Jul 14, 2013, 7:50 PM

...also it's pretty hard to figure out where on the complex you are standing. This is all from a first time visitor's perspective.

On another note, I ate at Arrogant Butcher and I thought it was meh. They should remove the more expensive items from the menu and keep the pub style food, such as burgers and sandwiches. This place is too casual to ask for $25 to $40 per entree. Their sandwich, burger and salad menu makes more sense here.

Lastly, it was Saturday night between 7 - 10 and it was kind of sad to see very few people at each establishment (stores, restaurants, etc.), and I think it was more crowded than usual due to the Dbacks game, not good.

It is not the best urban layout by any measure. The retail block is horribly designed along the sidewalks and that hurts the streetscape. The middle of the development, which is still considered a park, is better designed. This is coming from someone who lives downtown so I am more familiar with the area, but I find it hard to believe that you couldn't figure out where you were. It isn't like CityScape is big enough to throw someone off or is completely cut off from the streets. Then again, I understand downtown based on building locations and in which direction traffic moves. I can instantly recognize where I am in relation to other downtown spots (Chase, light rail, the clubs, my apartment, etc.).

Arrogant Butcher will keep the more expensive items because of the dinner crowd and the lunch crowd that draws many attorneys and businesspeople who take clients to lunch/dinner. As the Palomar gets busy and the residents fill up above, expect more people. The area tends to slow down during the summer months and shade is still a problem. As the foliage and trees fill in this will be less problematic. As more buildings are constructed it will also offer a better feel and more foot traffic. Of course that will require the empty lots around CityScape to be developed. The area, including the Luhrs buildings, still have some things to address before it begins to feel complete.