Phoenix CityScape Thread

[Vicelord John]

My bet...both of those parking lots will still be there 10 years from now.

I've got $5 that says at least 5 years, but you're likely correct.

[gymratmanaz]

I'll bet one will go within 2 years, a drink at Arrogant Butcher as we see groundbreaking across the street.

[HX_Guy]

Cool picture I ran across online and I just noticed there is a large patio type cover on the left side of the building, seems interesting.

http://thescene.s3.amazonaws.com/albums/5554/800fit/130264.jpg

[dtnphx]

The way the light is hitting it, it looks as though it was just beamed down from somewhere! Cool.

[HX_Guy]

New permit applied for today for Silk Sushi for restaurant and new patio.

According to the map on Cityscape's website, Silk Sushi will be on the 1st level, NW corner of the hotel tower. Great place for it...love having more street facing retail.

http://www.cityscapephoenix.com/interactive-map/id/1EJ108/

[gymratmanaz]

great location and nice to have another patio place!!!!!!! Street traffic! I wonder what will get the corner spot?!!

[HX_Guy]

The core was raised another level today...don't know if it's another story or if it's just for the mechanicals of the elevator. If it is for the mechanicals, I hope they don't plan to make it look like ass how they did on the office tower.

http://wwc.instacam.com/instacamimg7/phnxa/05192011/051920111100_l.jpg

[renone]

Unfortunately, it has to be for the mechanicals. In the past they have completed the full rebar square before putting those concrete forms in place. They put those forms in place today with about a third of the amount of rebar as normal, meaning that it is not simply another level. I hope that they can reverse whetever it is they are doing.

[HX_Guy]

The weird thing is that it's for only half of the elevator core, almost as if up to that level, the elevator is for the hotel, and from that level on, it's for whatever gets built on top. Plus, there is a doorway built into the core, similar to all other levels to that point.

http://nitnelav.com/Downtown05192011/2.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/Downtown05192011/1.jpg

Love this new view down Central Ave...
http://nitnelav.com/Downtown05192011/3.jpg

That patio cover looking thing is pretty massive...
http://nitnelav.com/Downtown05192011/4.jpg

[Vicelord John]

I agree the view is cool. I hadn't noticed the Copper Blues sign...

Love this new view down Central Ave...
http://nitnelav.com/Downtown05192011/3.jpg

[gymratmanaz]

And there is a Stand Up Live sign like it on the south side. They also added 4 more light up marquee boxes on the mid level of the stairs going up to the club.

Oakville keeps getting more and more refrigerators and furniture.

Could the half elevator be for a possible separate elevator for floors above the hotel??

I see no movement on Rasputins.

Tilted Kilt is cranking along.

Arrogant Butcher is doing really well. I went again the other night and the door staff was saying how busy it gets and they are very happy with the way things are going.

[Vicelord John]

I'm pretty sure Rasputin, Crepe Nanou, and Huey's are out of the question now.

[HX_Guy]

Err...scratch that that they only did one side of the elevator core...both sides are now higher, so it probably is for mechanical.

http://wwc.instacam.com/instacamimg7/phnxa/05192011/051920111100_l.jpghttp://wwc.instacam.com/instacamimg3/phnxa/05202011/052020111045_l.jpg

[HooverDam]

Love this new view down Central Ave...
http://nitnelav.com/Downtown05192011/3.jpg


Very nice. Now if only the Luhr's/Barrister buildings were occupied and had people milling about we'd be looking pretty City-ish.

I'm pretty sure Rasputin, Crepe Nanou, and Huey's are out of the question now.

I'm out of the loop, why no Huey's? Its one of the things I was most looking forward to at CityScape just because of its 24/7 nature.

[Vicelord John]

Very nice. Now if only the Luhr's/Barrister buildings were occupied and had people milling about we'd be looking pretty City-ish.



I'm out of the loop, why no Huey's? Its one of the things I was most looking forward to at CityScape just because of its 24/7 nature.

Well, the current rumor is that Lucky Strike is expanding into the space where those three restaurants were slated to open.

[HX_Guy]

Hmm...so this is new and has stayed under the radar pretty well...

http://www.cityscapephoenix.com/business-directory/detail/Brand+Label/

http://www.thescene.com/place/brand-label-phoenix-az

[PhxDowntowner]

I asked a construction guy at the site yesterday: He said there's 2 more floors to add to the hotel. He also said they still have plans, but not funding, to build a condo tower above the hotel.

I don't know enough about construction to ask anything more than that. :shrug:

[HX_Guy]

I asked a construction guy at the site yesterday: He said there's 2 more floors to add to the hotel. He also said they still have plans, but not funding, to build a condo tower above the hotel.



2 more stories seems right...there are 9 now and 11 is what I think we had heard all along.

http://wwc.instacam.com/instacamimg7/phnxa/05212011/052120110925_l.jpg

As for condo tower above...highly doubt that. Office would be the most likely.

[HX_Guy]

Phoenix's CityScape expected to be completely leased this fall

It's been about a year since the first tenant opened in downtown development CityScape, and if all goes as planned, RED Development expects its 1.8 million-square-foot office and retail project to be completely leased by this fall.

Gold's Gym was the first business to move into the development that is bounded by First Street and First Avenue and by Washington and Jefferson streets. It was followed by a series of monthly openings by stores such as CVS/pharmacy, entertainment venues such as Lucky Strike Lanes, and new offices for five Phoenix law firms.

About a half-dozen other retailers, restaurants and bars are expected to open by September. To name some: Oakville Grocery, Breakfast Club, Chipotle, Strand, Silk Sushi and Tilted Kilt.

UnitedHealthcare also will move in this summer, consolidating about 600 workers from other Phoenix offices into about 107,000 square feet of space at CityScape's office tower.

A sixth law firm, Brownstein, Hyatt, Farber & Schreck, will move about 15 workers into CityScape sometime in late July.

Marty Shultz is the law firm's senior policy director in the Phoenix office and chairman of the Phoenix Community Alliance, a non-profit organization made up of business and non-profit officials who have largely supported CityScape.

Shultz is credited with persuading the firm to become a tenant.

"It's very strategically located," he said. "You've got City Hall downtown, you've got the courts, and you've got the state Capitol down the street. It's also near the (Metro) light rail and next to major streets."

City officials estimate that 83,000 people work in downtown offices. RED Development's development manager Jeff Moloznik said, "A lot of our tenants have found a way to make their base around the workday traffic."

Those tenants include Arrogant Butcher, Vitamin T and Five Guys Burgers and Fries, where lines are often long as downtown workers take their lunch breaks.

However, Moloznik said there is a lot of activity on the weekend as people come to CityScape for entertainment.

"Stand Up Live drew 2,200 people on the first Friday and Saturday it was open," he said of the comedy theater.

Tenants also hope to tap the new student crowd that will come when Phoenix School of Law moves into the Tower at One North Central near Washington Street and Central Avenue. An estimated 700 to 1,000 students will be taking classes there.

Mayor Phil Gordon and other downtown business leaders have said CityScape was a much-needed development, rejuvenating the area and providing a place where visitors and office employees can work, shop, eat and be entertained.

But some residents in downtown neighborhoods feel the development has missed the mark.

Sean Sweat, who lives in the St. Croix Villas near Fillmore and Second streets, said CityScape is a suburban building in an urban setting.

"Its design is not intuitive enough for pedestrian exploration," said Sweat, who has studied transportation and urban issues.

That's because on one side, the building "turns its back to the street" in some spots, he said. For a new visitor, it's unclear where he or she can find a door to enter the shops and eateries, Sweat said.

Stacey Champion, another downtown resident, agreed.

"CityScape was not designed or built with the locals in mind and doesn't lend itself to a being an interesting destination where you'd want to spend any real amount of time," Champion said. "And even the (Patriots) square . . . lacks any sort of warmth, shade or substance to make it interesting."

http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2011/05/22/20110522phoenix-cityscape-downtown-completion.html

[glynnjamin]

I dont even understand what the Brand Label place does. Apparently I am too old

[HX_Guy]

Spent some time chatting with the owner of Designer District...really cool guy...he's planning on opening a high-end men's clothing store in the Palomar hotel, something like The Clotherie but a bit more casual, aimed at athletes that they expect to stay at the hotel.

He also said there are plans for 200 apartments above the hotel now and it's looking more and more positive and being driven by the strong rentals at 44 Monroe. We'll see, but it sure would be awesome.

[PhxDowntowner]

Sean Sweat, who lives in the St. Croix Villas near Fillmore and Second streets, said CityScape is a suburban building in an urban setting.

"Its design is not intuitive enough for pedestrian exploration," said Sweat, who has studied transportation and urban issues.

That's because on one side, the building "turns its back to the street" in some spots, he said. For a new visitor, it's unclear where he or she can find a door to enter the shops and eateries, Sweat said.

That Sean Sweat guy is an overcritical asshole.

[gymratmanaz]

HX, that is encouraging. Now if we can just get someone involved to say something concrete. Here to hoping!!!!!!

[Urban Rising]

I've heard the apartment option for above the hotel as well and that seems to be the momentum play right now. I am just becoming more and more skeptical of anything above as RED continues to move closer towards topping out. Once the tower crane is removed after topping out I will assume the building will be set as is. The crane currently is where the entry to the hotel is and coming back at a later date would be nearly impossible. I'm being told that the tower crane date is somewhere near the end of June.

[gymratmanaz]

How cool would an apartment above be in that location!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HooverDam]

How cool would an apartment above be in that location!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd much rather have a 44 Monroe unit with a NE facing window if we're talking fantasy world. That way you could Civic Space, Westward Ho, Midtown, Squaw Peak and Camelback, etc. You're also in a better location for my money, easy walk to stuff within the business core and not too bad of a walk up to Roosevelt Row and such.

But it would be beyond great for Downtown if apartments did get built there, even if they're pricey (and we know they will be) I think they'd do well. What about Plinko's concerns that structurally it was not possible to build higher than the hotel? I seem to recall him revising that and saying he was mistaken, is that correct?

Also, I wonder if Summit will ever go apartments, its a shame to see it sitting empty and all its retail space unused.

[PHX31]

I think Plinko said it was fine to build on top in the structural manner that they are, as long as they provide fire sprinklers.

[HX_Guy]

Really NE view?! I would want a SE view so I can actually see some buildings and get an actual urban view. Would suck heat wise though.

[HooverDam]

Really NE view?! I would want a SE view so I can actually see some buildings and get an actual urban view. Would suck heat wise though.

NE view is buildings+ mountains+ park/jellyfish + not as hot. I wouldn't want a view where you're right in the middle of the City like a Southern view at 44 Monroe would have. I'd sort of rather be set back a bit from taller buildings and looking at a skyline, not in the midst of it, like how it would be looking at Midtown.

Plus looking North to neighborhoods like Willo, Arcadia and Encanto it all looks very green from above like the whole desert floor is carpeted in plants with the mountains peaking above.

E: VV I think the penthouse is still only the North or South half, from what I recall seeing of the floorplans when they had it as condos there isn't a unit thats an entire floor.

[Vicelord John]

just get teh penthouse and have a view in every direction.

[AZScraper]

http://i54.tinypic.com/2cq1pub.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/2uj4j91.jpg
:thrasher:

[Tempe_Duck]

What are we looking at there? Is the core being built higher or getting ready to be capped?

[HX_Guy]

Could be either. What it shows though that I hadn't previously noticed though is that the forms are actually the inside forms and the rebar is on the outside...so they could attached rebar and then put on the outside concrete forms and keep going. I had thought since there was no rebar sticking out of the forms, that was it.

[plinko]

What about Plinko's concerns that structurally it was not possible to build higher than the hotel? I seem to recall him revising that and saying he was mistaken, is that correct?

Indeed. They revised the permit to lessen the construction type (translation: amount of concrete that needs to be used in the structural frame) which as a basic code requirement would limit the height of the building to 13 floors. However, after a little further research, I found the exception that they are using (it has to do with sprinklers, the fire alarm system, and some other similar components IIRC) that still allow them to gain the unlimited height (limited only by city zoning/FAA regulations). My post on the subject is somewhere in this thread.

So yes, it's structurally and legally possible to build on top of the hotel, but it sounds like there might be some logistical problems with cranes and construction (see Urban Rising's last post).

I'd love to see apartments there, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[gymratmanaz]

So do we wait to see a permit to find out or see if they add an extension section to the crane?........ crossing fingers!!!!!!!

[Vicelord John]

you guys are getting excited over what some schlub who owns a clothing store said? What gives this guy any more knowledge than we have collectively? Chances are he heard a rumor from someone who heard a rumor who knows a guy who is married to a girl, who has a cousin whos dog came from a breeder who that happens to know the manager of the truck dealership which leased the truck to the owner of the concrete company that provides the concrete to the distribution company who supplies the construction company that gives the orders to the contractor on the jobsite.

[gymratmanaz]

I've actually met that dog you are talking of, John.!!!!! :)

[gymratmanaz]

I was just at Cityscape this morning....

*Nice new neon signage for Copper Blues and Stand Up Live on the inside of the courtyard.
*Oakville filling in nicely with furniture and all.
*Hotel - They have started to put the outside framing on the 4th floor.
*Tilted Kilt - Walls are getting finished. Nice layout!

[gymratmanaz]

Chipotle permit sign is up on the window of the pad near 5 Guys. It had the temp art studio in it.

[Vicelord John]

chipotle permit sign is up on the window of the pad near 5 guys. It had the temp art studio in it.

fuck yes!!!!!

[gymratmanaz]

Knew that would make your day, John!

[Vicelord John]

it did! and I really needed a day to be made!

[gymratmanaz]

glad i could be of service.

[pbenjamin]

I thought I read somewhere that Oakville Grocery was opening on Memorial Day weekend. As of yesterday, it was not open and didn't appear all that close to being ready.

[gymratmanaz]

I stopped inside Oakville today. They now say about 2 more weeks. They are progressing.The place looks great. I like the patio furniture, a mix of tables, bar height, and some relaxing comfy chairs too.

[HX_Guy]

Whats the deal with the hotel? Have you seen any work being done while down there? Seems like it's been on hold at least the past 2+ weeks.

[Vicelord John]

they cancelled it. It's going to be a parking garage instead.

[gymratmanaz]

They have been focusing on the 4th and 5th floors, installing the wall framing. I am betting they are doing that while making whatever decision the will on going higher or not.

[PhxDowntowner]

Chipotle in CityScape?
http://twitter.com/#!/downtownphoenix/status/77799348553003009

I thought you guys were pegging it for W. McDowell

[nickw252]

I walked around during my lunch hour and there was work being done inside the hotel. The crane was also lifting stuff to the top.

http://i53.tinypic.com/2qdol5w.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/2mfg4kk.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/20acimh.jpg

[nickw252]

I don't know how new the Copper Blues and StandUp Live signage is but it looks good.

http://i56.tinypic.com/nvupno.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/2v9zpg8.jpg

[HooverDam]

^ The outside of Cityscape still looks far too gray and barren. Isn't it slated to be covered in LEDs and such as part of the "Legends District" thing? I sure hope so.

E: Also look at that last picture, its so maddening that Oakville doesn't have an entrance on the corner. It even LOOKS like an entrance. The sign, the way the building is angled, the shade structure.

[westbev93]

I think the lighting/signage special district starts at 1st Ave, so yes, it would cover CS.

To date the Legends District thing is more than a little disappointing. I thought they wanted to have stuff up in time for the All-Star Game? We're a month out, and what have they installed, one shitty billboard on the parking garage?

[Leo the Dog]

Nick, Thanks for the updated pics.

The first pic looks doesn't look like downtown at all...looks like it could be an office building in N. Scottsdale.

[Vicelord John]

Westbev, TWO shitty billboards!! Lol

[PHX31]

Nick, Thanks for the updated pics.

The first pic looks doesn't look like downtown at all...looks like it could be an office building in N. Scottsdale.

Yeah, the southeast corner of CityScape has terrible views... I feel bad for Arrogant Butcher. Their south view is the parking lot next to the Barrister Building. And their east view is CityScapes' surface parking lot. I doubt anytime soon they'll be getting an upgrade on their views.

[PhxDowntowner]

The first pic looks doesn't look like downtown at all...looks like it could be an office building in N. Scottsdale.

I assume we all realize that that entire block is going to need to be demoed if our downtown ever succeeds at taking off. It's a horrific design, and only 2-stories. In time, it'll need to go so we can build on that land like we're actually serious.

[PhxDowntowner]

its so maddening that Oakville doesn't have an entrance on the corner. It even LOOKS like an entrance. The sign, the way the building is angled, the shade structure.

We can partly blame ADA for that one. ADA would have required a wheelchair lift be installed b/c the pre-existing parking garage underneath comes above grade by almost 4 feet on the southside of the block. CVS ponied up for one. Oakville obviously opted not to.

Having two sets of entrance doors also requires two register locations and more employees in order to avoid ungodly shoplifting losses. Just another reason why this inward facing design sucks.

[HX_Guy]

I assume we all realize that that entire block is going to need to be demoed if our downtown ever succeeds at taking off. It's a horrific design, and only 2-stories. In time, it'll need to go so we can build on that land like we're actually serious.

There are plenty of surface parking lots that need to be built on before we start thinking about demoing what's been built. It's by far not the best design...but it be worse, look at Arizona Center.

[Vicelord John]

Why can't the handicaps just use an entrance that works for them? Why does the whole world have to cater to their needs? I'm happy to help out where I can, but if I have to change an entrance when there are already two, that's ridiculous.

[PhxDowntowner]

There are plenty of surface parking lots that need to be built on before we start thinking about demoing what's been built. It's by far not the best design...but it be worse, look at Arizona Center.

Of course, which is why i said "if our downtown succeeds in taking off". In that case, all the available land would get developed w/ density & quality designs. At which point, a shit-design 2-story turdball like that half of CityScape is going to get ripped down for something worthy of that location. It's 10 years out in a well-run city. So here it's 25 years out -- if we can make downtown work.

[combusean]

That block is going to stay like that for life. They can't go any higher because the height and open space are dictated by the CC&R's of which the owners of Renaissance Square are a party to. CityScape would have built apartments on top but RS shot them down.

[plinko]

We can partly blame ADA for that one. ADA would have required a wheelchair lift be installed b/c the pre-existing parking garage underneath comes above grade by almost 4 feet on the southside of the block. CVS ponied up for one. Oakville obviously opted not to.

Having two sets of entrance doors also requires two register locations and more employees in order to avoid ungodly shoplifting losses. Just another reason why this inward facing design sucks.

True, but they probably could have made the grades work if they put the entry on Central at the midpoint of the building. I put the blame for this one squarely on the shoulders of the shell building architect and RED, not Oakville. They knew a grocer was going in that space, they knew what the building was going to look like and how it was going to function, and they cheapened out on the solution and pretty much killed that corner.

In their defense, the ramp to get up that far would be totally obnoxious (ADA ramps max out at 1:12 so 4ft would be a 48ft ramp!)

[plinko]

Why can't the handicaps just use an entrance that works for them? Why does the whole world have to cater to their needs? I'm happy to help out where I can, but if I have to change an entrance when there are already two, that's ridiculous.

Welcome to my world. I'd estimate that maybe 40% of my time during construction documents (after the design is fully developed) is spent working on ADA nonsense. Some of it makes sense, most of it is total overkill.

[gymratmanaz]

ANY UPDATES? I have been in Denver for 5 days and will be for 5 more. Any updates on Cityscape?

[Vicelord John]

It fell over.

[renone]

The only update on the building that I can see is that they are slowly framing the hotel floors and the yellow boards are going up. About half way done. Nothing more above the concrete forms up top, no more rebar or construction. Tower crane is still up and running.

I am having drinks at Copper Blues tonight, that is finally open. Like everyone else has said, Oakville looks close to opening, but nothing yet.

[dtnphx]

Rasputin has applied for its liquor licence, so they're a go.

[nickw252]

http://i56.tinypic.com/20jpssn.jpg

[nickw252]

There was also a filming going on on the second floor of the east block Saturday afternoon. They said it was for the movie "Pranksters"

I googled Pranksters and didn't find anything.

http://i53.tinypic.com/dr60x0.jpg

[Vicelord John]

Probably an indie flik or a student project and they just wanted to sound important.

[exit2lef]

There have been "Pranksters" sketches on SNL in recent years:

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/pranksters/2619/

Maybe it's a movie project based on that theme, or maybe they were pranking you with that answer.

[Vicelord John]

BTW, the Tilted Kilt signs are up.

[Buckeye Native 001]

So would it be terrible for me to say that even though I didn't have a whole lot of time to check out Cityscape, what I saw of it felt a little underwhelming? Maybe I was just bitchy because of the heat...

Obviously, I need to go check it out again when I have more time to possibly get a better appreciation? Upon initial assessment, I'm not seeing a whole lot different than what was already done at the Arizona Center 20 years ago.

[HooverDam]

So would it be terrible for me to say that even though I didn't have a whole lot of time to check out Cityscape, what I saw of it felt a little underwhelming? Maybe I was just bitchy because of the heat...

Obviously, I need to go check it out again when I have more time to possibly get a better appreciation? Upon initial assessment, I'm not seeing a whole lot different than what was already done at the Arizona Center 20 years ago.

It would be terrible if you said it was terrific, well thought out and good urban design.

We're all happy to have the new retail and destinations (Stand Up Live, Lucky Strike) but from a design perspective its abysmal.

[Vicelord John]

I'm still not judging it until it's finished.

[renone]

I won't pretend to know anything about design, but I am pretty happy with Cityscape. It could have been much better, sure. But I was at Copper Blues on Friday afternoon (loved it) and I was thinking that it wasnt too long ago that this was Patriots Square Park. Copper Blues was packed around 5:30, the live band was not bad at all, and (wait for it) there was a LINE to get into the place. It was over 100 degrees out and there were at least 30 people waiting in a line outside to see the show. I was encouarged.

[gymratmanaz]

That is really awesome!!!

[Vicelord John]

I won't pretend to know anything about design, but I am pretty happy with Cityscape. It could have been much better, sure. But I was at Copper Blues on Friday afternoon (loved it) and I was thinking that it wasnt too long ago that this was Patriots Square Park. Copper Blues was packed around 5:30, the live band was not bad at all, and (wait for it) there was a LINE to get into the place. It was over 100 degrees out and there were at least 30 people waiting in a line outside to see the show. I was encouarged.

yeah the line was for the early comedy show that night which was Gabriel Iglesias. I could not, for the life of me, find tickets to any of his 7 shows spread out over 5 days. He is just too popular. It's pretty common people start lining up about 1.5hrs - 2hrs before a show for a good act.

[PhxDowntowner]

I won't pretend to know anything about design, but I am pretty happy with Cityscape. It could have been much better, sure. But I was at Copper Blues on Friday afternoon (loved it) and I was thinking that it wasnt too long ago that this was Patriots Square Park. Copper Blues was packed around 5:30, the live band was not bad at all, and (wait for it) there was a LINE to get into the place. It was over 100 degrees out and there were at least 30 people waiting in a line outside to see the show. I was encouarged.

But those observations are not the metric of determining a good design. A good design would be intuitive enough that all those people would feel comfortable/interested in walking around the surrounding blocks without feeling like things are hidden or out of reach.

[HX_Guy]

So I guess Oakville Grocery opened?

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2011/06/25/oakville-grocery-conducts-water-drive.html

[Vicelord John]

wow that happened quietly. I'll have to go check it out.

Tilted Kilt opens July 4

[gymratmanaz]

might have to head down too!

[nickw252]

It looked close last weekend. I'll have to grab lunch there next week.

[gymratmanaz]

I stopped by. Oakbrook is not open yet.

I stopped upstairs at Copper Blues for a hard cider. Ended up meeting Booby Lee before the show. He was out front having a smoke and relaxing.

All of Cityscape was busy, tons of people all over in shops, restaurants, Lucky Strike was packed. I asked again about Lucky Strike taking over the other half of the upstairs. They said they were in negotiations for it.

The STRAND signage is up in the windows next to Arrogant Butcher. Chipotle window signs are up too. They are working hard on the yogurt place next to Vitamin T.

Windows are going in on the hotel.

The band in Copper Blues was awesome. Gonna have to hang there more often!!!!!

[alexico]

I stopped by. Oakbrook is not open yet.

I stopped upstairs at Copper Blues for a hard cider. Ended up meeting Booby Lee before the show. He was out front having a smoke and relaxing.

All of Cityscape was busy, tons of people all over in shops, restaurants, Lucky Strike was packed. I asked again about Lucky Strike taking over the other half of the upstairs. They said they were in negotiations for it.

The STRAND signage is up in the windows next to Arrogant Butcher. Chipotle window signs are up too. They are working hard on the yogurt place next to Vitamin T.

Windows are going in on the hotel.

The band in Copper Blues was awesome. Gonna have to hang there more often!!!!!

I am happy to see it working as well too. its been busy during the day, how are thoe few clothing retail stores doing?

will the expensive grocer survive you guys think?

[HX_Guy]

Cityscape put on on their Facebook that Oakville will be open Thursday at 10am.

[HooverDam]

will the expensive grocer survive you guys think?

Its a grocer in name only, its really a high end deli. You can't buy staples there or do anything resembling normal grocery shopping. Downtown still sadly lacks a real grocery store.

[Vicelord John]

Its a grocer in name only, its really a high end deli. You can't buy staples there or do anything resembling normal grocery shopping. Downtown still sadly lacks a real grocery store.

There are many variations of grocers. Why you gotta split hairs and bust everyone's balls all the time. You know what the guy meant. Why be a dock about it?

[gymratmanaz]

and between Oakville and CVS, you will be able to get all staples and more, I believe.

[HooverDam]

There are many variations of grocers. Why you gotta split hairs and bust everyone's balls all the time. You know what the guy meant. Why be a dock about it?

I wasn't trying to be mean, I just don't want to get peoples hopes up for a grocery store of the super market variety. Oakville will be more like the old Calebria Italian Deli/Grocer that used to be in the Gold Spot building, was just trying to clarify :)

[dtnphx]

I wasn't trying to be mean, I just don't want to get peoples hopes up for a grocery store of the super market variety. Oakville will be more like the old Calebria Italian Deli/Grocer that used to be in the Gold Spot building, was just trying to clarify :)

I know you are trying to keep the peace, but don't be so quick to apologize. You didn't say anything that warrants an apology. Glad as hell with your posts, Hoover.

[exit2lef]

Its a grocer in name only, its really a high end deli. You can't buy staples there or do anything resembling normal grocery shopping. Downtown still sadly lacks a real grocery store.

Well, they did boast today that they sell toilet paper -- a staple if ever there was one. It's Seventh Generation, though, a pricey brand.

[Leo the Dog]

In a year to two's time, I would guess that Oakville will be closed. The demographics to support this store simply do not exist in the area.

[HX_Guy]

In a year to two's time, I would guess that Oakville will be closed. The demographics to support this store simply do not exist in the area.

Or, if they are smart, they could retool it to actually meet the demographics of the area. Do they really need high end toilet paper? Why not sell the stuff that normal grocery stores sell?

[Leo the Dog]

^^Exactly. DT needs the basics. Oakville struggled in Scottsdale, right?

[Vicelord John]

I would assume they will carry what the neighborhood needs.

I had a grocery store wake up call on Sunday when I went to my parents place in Maryvale. I went to a Fry's at 67/Indian School looking for Boars Head meats in the deli and Ezekiel bread in the bread aisle. I felt like quite the pompous jerk when the store lady said "sir do you really think this area's clientele would be buying those things?"

I reckon Oakville will carry what they can sell. They aren't stupid. You wouldn't open a Bentley dealership in Guadalupe.zzz

[Vicelord John]

7th law firm set to move into CityScape in downtown Phoenix
by Emily Gersema - Jun. 28, 2011 09:56 AM
The Arizona Republic
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Another law firm is moving into CityScape in downtown Phoenix, bringing the number of law firms in the new tower to seven.

Cantor Law Group is moving all 28 of its employees from its east Tempe office near Broadway and Price roads into CityScape, the 1.8 million-square-foot office and retail development near Washington and First streets.

"It puts us at a geographic center from where we can better serve our criminal law, family law and injury clients in Phoenix and the state of Arizona," said attorney David Michael Cantor.

The firm is renting 15,500 square feet in the CityScape office tower. It joins six law firms that have moved or are about to move into the building, which began opening to its first tenants about a year ago:

- Ballard Spahr.

- Brownstein, Hyatt, Farber & Schreck.

- Gust Rosenfeld.

- Jennings, Strouss & Salmon.

- Polsinelli Shughart.

- Squire, Sanders & Dempsey.

CityScape's location has been a big draw for law firms because it sits within a few blocks of Maricopa County Superior Court and Phoenix Municipal Court. It also is on the Metro light-rail line.

The private college, Phoenix School of Law, also is moving downtown this summer into One N. Central Ave., just north of CityScape.



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2011/06/28/20110628phoenix-cityscape-7th-law-firm-moves-in.html#ixzz1Qb2Cw05U

[HX_Guy]

Damn they have got to be full by now, no?

[phxSUNSfan]

I would assume they will carry what the neighborhood needs.

I had a grocery store wake up call on Sunday when I went to my parents place in Maryvale. I went to a Fry's at 67/Indian School looking for Boars Head meats in the deli and Ezekiel bread in the bread aisle. I felt like quite the pompous jerk when the store lady said "sir do you really think this area's clientele would be buying those things?"

I reckon Oakville will carry what they can sell. They aren't stupid. You wouldn't open a Bentley dealership in Guadalupe.zzz

I agree, and also the downtown area is home to many young professionals, environmentalists, etc who would and do buy 7th Generation products. Not only that but throw in some chi-chi neighbors from Roosevelt, Willo, and Encanto (to name a few) and there are enough willing to buy from Oakville. If not, they sell the cheap stuff at CVS...