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innov8
Jun 8, 2006, 5:28 AM
Capitol Grand (in-color)
http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/2166/cgelevation20070315dv5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

These are photos of the renderings that were given to me on 11 x 17 sheets
of paper. I wanted to scan them but they are just to big.

Anyway, like I have said before, the NEW Capitol Grand rendering that is
nearly finished with the EIR process is 965' to the top of the spire. To the
top of the structure is 771' and the spire on top rises up 194' to the final
height of 965'. To meet parking requirements with the city the tower has
7 of above ground parking and 6 below. The below grade parking would go
down 75' and have slurry walls of 3 feet thick surrounding the hole.

My only real complaint at this point is the look of the base at the street
level. It has a bunker quality about it... could use a little work.

The Tower would use 5 different types of stone, 2 different types of glass,
2 different types of metal and 3 different types of concrete. I think that
pretty impressive for a tower of this size.

The big question... will it be built???


http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/9617/cgground20070315ct9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


OLD Version

Capitol Grand Tower

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/2479/cgt17rz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Developers: Mo Mohanna and California Medical Group
Architect: Nadel Architects Inc
Contractor: Tishman Construction

12th and J Street
280 Condo's
200 Hotel Rooms
50,000 Office Space
56 Stories
701 Feet
http://sacramento.bizjournals.com/sa...08/story1.html

Downtown skyline may grow higher yet
J Street tower plan expands to 54 stories (now 56)

A proposed high-rise condominium building may become a much-larger -- and pricier -- 54-story tower after gaining a major partner.

Prominent downtown businessmen Mohammed "Mo" Mohanna and John Lambeth, in partnership with the California Medical Association, are planning a $250 million high-rise project on the northeast corner of 12th and J streets. Lambeth and Mohanna had earlier planned a 32-story, $65 million tower before the medical association joined the project.

The Capitol Grand Tower would include about 280 condominiums, 200 hotel rooms and 50,000 square feet of offices.

"We believe strongly in the future of luxury, high-rise condominium living in downtown Sacramento and are anxious to provide a quality product for that market," Lambeth said.

The medical association is committed to making downtown a viable place for people to work and play, said spokeswoman Karen Nikos.

Mohanna and Lambeth would contribute Mohanna's Grand Ballroom building at 1215 J St. to the venture, while the association would chip in its headquarters building next door, Lambeth said.

Both buildings would be razed to make way for the high-rise.

It is not yet clear what financial arrangements were made between the medical association and the developers.

The new structure would rival the twin, 54-story towers John Saca is building on Capitol Mall at 3rd Street. Saca's project would include 804 condos.

Nearby, developer Craig Nassi is building "Aura," a 38-story, 265-condo high-rise at 6th Street and Capitol Mall.

Capitol Grand Tower would contain about 1 million square feet -- about the size of a regional shopping mall. The state medical association would move into the new office space.

The plan is far more ambitious than the tower that Mohanna and Lambeth proposed on their own in 2004. Their concept, using just the ballroom building, also would have had 200 hotel rooms and about 100 condos, although the numbers changed as the plan proceeded.

The partners have not submitted a formal application for the most recent -- and larger -- version to the city. But they have given city planners a heads-up and will submit a new plan, said city planner Evan Compton.

Mohanna said Capitol Grand Tower condos would likely sell for prices similar to those being built by Saca and Nassi on Capitol Mall. Those projects are selling units from about $450,000 to $1 million, depending on location.

The Capitol Grand Tower partnership has hired Nadel Architects Inc. in Los Angeles to design the structure. Tishman Construction of New York City is tagged as the construction manager.

The partners will probably hire a veteran high-rise developer to oversee the project.

Negotiations are under way with two candidates, Mohanna said.

He added there would be eight levels of parking, including five stories underground. Mohanna said there would be little retail in the building.

The Capitol Grand Tower probably won't be completed until after the first Saca and Nassi projects are finished, so it would not compete with them.

Saca, Nassi and others are planning at least four more condo towers that could be competitors.
But there could be a market for all of them, because Sacramento is evolving into a "mature urban environment," that includes high-rise condo projects, said Dave MacIntosh, regional director for Hanley Wood Market Intelligence.

Sacramento, he said, is catching up to Portland, Miami, Cleveland, Vancouver, British Columbia, and other urban cores that have seen many high-rise projects in the past few decades.

The high-rise condo trend results from a combination of forces, including long commutes from the suburbs, less land (which encourages building upward), and the belief by some homebuyers that downtown living can be rewarding.

While there will likely be a long-term demand for high-rise condos, sales could suffer if too many hit the market at once, or if the prices are too high, cautioned Greg Paquin, owner of The Gregory Group in Folsom.

Mohanna has been a downtown landlord for three decades. He is also a partner with Saca in the planned redevelopment of the south side of the 800 block of K Street. Saca is planning two towers with a combined 600 units on that site.

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urban_encounter
Jun 8, 2006, 5:33 AM
So do we know how much office space the California Medical Association intends to use???

Thanks for finding and posting this new rendering by Nadel....


This tower is going to look sharp on Sacramento's growing skyline....
Much more sophisticated than the last proposal and I think having a squared floor plate will mean a consitently attractive tower from the North, South, East or West exposures...
Something that might not have happend with the former L shaped floor plate proposal.

Jay916
Jun 8, 2006, 5:55 AM
it looks different from the renders i saw earlier but at 701 feet i can care less.:cheers:

urban_encounter
Jun 8, 2006, 6:15 AM
Nadel is now the architectural firm, with Tishman Construction of New York as the lead contractor.

Nadel has a lot more credibility than the former architect (or imho).


http://www.nadelarc.com/


I'm looking forward to seeing the color renderings...

TWAK
Jun 8, 2006, 6:24 AM
has a timeline been set for this thing yet?

urban_encounter
Jun 8, 2006, 6:30 AM
has a timeline been set for this thing yet?


Well proposals are moving through the Matrix (planning department) in under a year, from proposal to approval.

They already have a Contractor lined up (Tishman), so who knows...??


The Towers (301 CM) took 10 months from proposal to approval and this is a smaller proposal.


With the Sheraton Grand right across the street, J street will be a huge mess during demolition of the exisitng Grand Ballroom and California Medical Association building and construction of the Tower.

tuy
Jun 8, 2006, 6:31 AM
This is labeled as Scheme 6, it would be interesting to see the other schemes that were considered.

innov8
Jun 8, 2006, 6:32 AM
^
^
^ Not that I have heard... I beleive once they start going through the
process a timeline will be set. My guess is summer/fall of next year.



Nadel is now the architectural firm, with Tishman Construction of New York as the lead contractor.

Nadel has a lot more credibility than the former architect (or imho).


http://www.nadelarc.com/


I'm looking forward to seeing the color renderings...

Thanks for the link... they have done some good stuff, a lot of color in their building.
The Bank of China is a striking highrise that could be used as a reference
for what the Capitol Grand might look like.

Thefigman
Jun 8, 2006, 12:31 PM
The top of the building in this rendering reminds me a little of the top of the Chateau Frontinac in Quebec City.

Thanks for the info!

Pandemonious
Jun 8, 2006, 3:43 PM
This kind of reminds me of the Millenia Tower in Singapore, except of course that that is an office building, but it is even a similar height at 715 ft. I am liking the strong defined horizontal lines on this one. From the black and white renderings, this building looks like it will have a lot of texture to it, including the roof. I also can't wait to see the color renderings.

BANKofMANHATTAN
Jun 8, 2006, 4:22 PM
i like it, go Sacremento!

phillyskyline
Jun 8, 2006, 4:29 PM
Does anyone have a rendering how this will fill in the skyline? I love the fact that this is a mixed use skyscraper - it makes it more likely to be constructed.

SacTownAndy
Jun 8, 2006, 7:34 PM
I'm definitely liking that second rendering better. I'm curious to see what materials are going to be used, color scheme, lighting, etc. Like others have said, I think those elements will either make or break this tower.

friedpez
Jun 8, 2006, 11:23 PM
The top also looks like CalEPA's top with the glass and the greenhouse.

innov8
Jun 8, 2006, 11:34 PM
Capitol Grand Construction Materials

The Proposed Exterior Materials: Metal & Glass, Curtain Wall Metal Panel, Pre-cast Concete & Stone.

Roof Materials: Built-up & Metal

Proposed Exterior Building Colors: Warm & Light Colors

I beleive the top will be a Curtain Wall Metal Panels

bennywah
Jun 9, 2006, 1:04 AM
The top reminds me of the Manchester Grand Hyatt here in San Diego, which is one of my favorite buildings and very easy to spot in the skyline, I think its going to be a great design once we see the color hues

http://www.filecabin.com/members_vb/files/55878/103_1199.jpg

urban_encounter
Jun 9, 2006, 2:50 AM
The top also looks like CalEPA's top with the glass and the greenhouse.


That wont fly with the Design Review Board if they're proposing a screen ala CalEPA..

I'm still thinking it's much more ornamental than CalEPA, which only looks decent when viewing it from the South (to the North)


I think they're trying to play off the historical design of the Mansard roof on the the Joie de Vivre up the street...

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5774/shallit017ql.jpghttp://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7564/1334/320/untitled8xz.jpg

some_stupid_nut
Jun 9, 2006, 2:54 AM
I like it! Looks classy!

James Bond Agent 007
Jun 9, 2006, 3:23 AM
Not bad! Postmodernism is alive after all! :tup:

SactownRob
Jun 9, 2006, 3:59 AM
Well, they're not the first to try to play off the mansard roof theme (if, in fact, that's what they're doing). This is one of the design concepts submitted for Lot A by Philip Johnson (RIP) and John Burgee back around 1989 or so. The round building, as some of you may recall, was supposed to be a Ritz Carlton. And then, of course, the recession hit....

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8057/sacramentolota1xx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

ltsmotorsport
Jun 10, 2006, 10:59 PM
This kind of reminds me of the Millenia Tower in Singapore, except of course that that is an office building, but it is even a similar height at 715 ft. I am liking the strong defined horizontal lines on this one. From the black and white renderings, this building looks like it will have a lot of texture to it, including the roof. I also can't wait to see the color renderings.
I can't wait for the colors either. I want to see how everything will fit together.

hoosier
Jun 12, 2006, 3:32 PM
Sweet. For a city of Sacramento's size, it should have taller buildings. I hope this gets built.

HigherinCarolina
Jun 13, 2006, 5:02 PM
Is this a definite?If so,Sac-town will have a sig tower in the middle of all the new stuff going up, very exciting!

brandon12
Jun 13, 2006, 9:17 PM
No, it's not definite at all. But it seems to get more legs everyday. I would put it's chances at about 50/50 right now and improving.

urban_encounter
Jun 14, 2006, 4:39 AM
No, it's not definite at all. But it seems to get more legs everyday. I would put it's chances at about 50/50 right now and improving.



Certainly with the backing of the California Medical Association as well as having them as a tenant, it's looking pretty good....


Between the Capitol Grand and Epic, Sacramento should have two iconic "signature" towers...(Probably Epic more so than CGT), because Epic will have the kind of lines that people will remember...

innov8
Jun 24, 2006, 5:10 AM
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6913/capitolgrandmockupcopy5lk.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

It's been a while since I've done this stuff take it easy on me :)

I took the B/W Capitol Grand rendering and placed it at the proposed location.
The Sheraton Hotel to the right stands at 318 feet tall so this mock-up is still a
little small in size IMO... maybe the top of the picture is the right height.

Is Sacramento ready for something like this? Oh, Yeah!!!:rock: :leek: :pepper: :boogy: :coolugh:

foxmtbr
Jun 24, 2006, 8:15 PM
Nice work! It looks great! :tup:

innov8
Jun 29, 2006, 3:18 AM
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/6793/capitolgrandmockup29tu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I think this one is better.

foxmtbr
Jun 29, 2006, 3:24 AM
:tup: Very nice.

ltsmotorsport
Jun 29, 2006, 9:07 PM
That second look is unreal.:cool:

innov8
Jun 30, 2006, 6:11 AM
OK... now this would be quite a dueo, EPIC & Capitol Grand.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/277/beforeepiccapitolgrandcopy5gh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Current view.


http://img335.imageshack.us/img335/6625/afterepiccapitolgrandcopy1rr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
EPIC on the left and the Capitol Grand Tower on the right.

innov8
Jun 30, 2006, 6:34 AM
One more...

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/615/capitolgrandmockup2copy6gq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

urban_encounter
Oct 15, 2006, 6:51 PM
OK... now this would be quite a dueo, EPIC & Capitol Grand.

http://img335.imageshack.us/img335/6625/afterepiccapitolgrandcopy1rr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
EPIC on the left and the Capitol Grand Tower on the right.


Any Sacramento forumers have any updates on either the CG Tower or Epic, as to where they're at in the planning or approval process???

kenratboy
Oct 17, 2006, 6:07 AM
Wow. Just wow.

Honestly, if the ~10 buildings that are shown on the 'Highrises' board get built - I think Sacramento may stand to be one of the major skylines in the USA (obviously not NYC, Chicago, but maybe on the top 20 list)?

enigma99a
Nov 21, 2006, 12:41 PM
Thanks to Innov8 for the update.

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SacTownAndy
Nov 21, 2006, 4:57 PM
Wow!! :crazy2:

I'm really liking these new renderings. This is exactly the type of signature tower Sacramento needs. And at 701 feet... wow... :cheers:

Thefigman
Nov 21, 2006, 8:20 PM
Love the look of the top 1/4 of the building in these renderings.

enigma99a
Nov 21, 2006, 8:38 PM
Wow!! :crazy2:

I'm really liking these new renderings. This is exactly the type of signature tower Sacramento needs. And at 701 feet... wow... :cheers:

Also it's taller then 701ft. Not sure what it is exactly but it could be 750'

kenratboy
Nov 21, 2006, 8:40 PM
Wow - this will look amazing when done. Cannot wait for the thing to start going up.

urban_encounter
Nov 30, 2006, 5:34 AM
Thanks to Innov8 for the update.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2182/2sactower12thstreetelevpv8.jpg


I must have missed the new renderings.

I'll like it, but how is this progressing (in terms of actually being built?)

squintstopher
Dec 1, 2006, 8:22 PM
That's ridiculous... in a very good way!

innov8
Dec 1, 2006, 9:03 PM
I must have missed the new renderings.

I'll like it, but how is this progressing (in terms of actually being built?)


It was suppose to go into a committee meeting by the end of this year but...
not all the info on the building has been received by the Council,
Commissions, and Boards. It's progressing slowly.

ArchWatcher
Dec 1, 2006, 9:16 PM
some nice proportions

ltsmotorsport
Dec 1, 2006, 9:18 PM
Probably a good thing, with the way housing has slowed so much. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see this thing start construction until 2008, and that just might be the right time.

Sacto
Dec 2, 2006, 1:18 PM
I would really love to see this one or another one of similar proportions get built in the next couple of years.

urban_encounter
Dec 7, 2006, 11:23 PM
Question for innov8 or Sugit:


Has the height of this tower been revised upwards again with this latest design??? I'm seeing at least 64 floors and depending on the top floors as many as 69 stories.....

ltsmotorsport
Feb 25, 2007, 11:56 PM
New render and height for this tower.

965'-spire ; 771' - roof

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/7900/wspirezk3.png

innov8- any chance you can get those color renders up?

innov8
Feb 26, 2007, 4:47 AM
I may or may not by the end of this week. If not, look for
it in the April-May issue of Sactown Mag. I beleive it's
now 70 floors.

I'm glad you could find this thread ltsmotorsport, I could not
find it a couple weeks ago.

NYC2ATX
Feb 26, 2007, 5:44 AM
New render and height for this tower.

965'-spire ; 771' - roof

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/7900/wspirezk3.png

innov8- any chance you can get those color renders up?

hey, spires count as part of a buildings height, right? :naughty:

Dale
Feb 26, 2007, 5:47 AM
My gosh! It ain't lil' ol' Sacra-tomato anymore!

brandon12
Feb 26, 2007, 5:51 AM
oh for heaven's sake- what's 35 more feet?

aufbau
Feb 26, 2007, 6:30 AM
This thing will stick out so high in skyline! If the towers don't get built and this does, it will look like the Sacramento's skyline lawnmower missed a blade.

not that i'm complaining or nuthin':D I agree 35 more feet! maybe in the next revision. This thing just keeps growing.

dcox20
Feb 26, 2007, 6:39 AM
great to see images but does anyone know anything about the approval process on this? still in review? approved? anything?

thanks

innov8
Feb 26, 2007, 6:44 AM
The traffic study is complete and the draft EIR is in progress.

Web
Feb 26, 2007, 5:35 PM
2 words

Moe M

innov8
Feb 26, 2007, 8:49 PM
I agree. If the California Medical Assoc. was not in 50/50 on this tower with Mo,
this project would not even have a prayer. Paying for an EIR is not cheap.

foxmtbr
Feb 27, 2007, 12:30 AM
How could I have possibly missed this post yesterday?!? Sweet Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, 965'! And progress is being made? Wow, that is unbelievable! :D :tomato:

Sacto
Feb 27, 2007, 4:21 AM
That's not bad at all. It would be the second tallest in California if built before anything taller is built. :fingerscrossed:

ltsmotorsport
Feb 27, 2007, 4:31 AM
I'm glad you could find this thread ltsmotorsport, I could not find it a couple weeks ago.

Yeah, I just kinda stumbled upon it while searching the old califorum sacramento thread and noticed that nothing had been done. Don't want this one to get purged.:cheers:

urban_encounter
Feb 28, 2007, 2:59 AM
I may or may not by the end of this week. If not, look for
it in the April-May issue of Sactown Mag. I beleive it's
now 70 floors.

I'm glad you could find this thread ltsmotorsport, I could not
find it a couple weeks ago.


Anytime your looking for a Sacramento related link just remember that you can go to page #1 of the Downtown Sacramento Construction thread in the City Compilations forum (It's the second post)...

Downtown Sacramento Construction
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=83685



But in any case, here are all of the major project links that I can think of.


301 Capitol Mall (The Towers)
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=85715

500 Capitol Mall
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=116260

601 Capitol Mall (Aura)
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=90073

621 Capitol Mall (U.S. Bank Builidng)
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=86268

CalSTRS HQ
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=116795

Epic Tower
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=110616

Capitol Grand Tower
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=107705


BTW love the height proposed at 965' with a spire and 771' naturally to the roof...
I also like the (latest) design....

Mike you may have a point about the California Medical
Assoications influence helping the project along... But
to what extent that help means is anybody's guess????

In any case i wont be holding my breath.. If by chance Mo Mohanna isn't jerking the chains of city planners (as I suspect) then
the Sacramento Old City Association and other Nimby groups will have a field day ripping the height of this proposal to shreds...

ICSACON99
Feb 28, 2007, 3:30 AM
So technically the new thread title is Sacramento Capitol Grand Tower 965'/ 70 floors... Soo Sweet :banana: Guess we got that 800 foot plus tower we were discussing last year when 301 was progressing so well... Just not from John Saca but Mo M ??? of course only if Cal Med Assoc. is way on board with this, & some big pocket $$$ source.
What a twist of fate it would be indeed if Mo gets this version built & 301 ends up in a stalled out CALPERS redesign ( God I hope not ).:(

kenratboy
Feb 28, 2007, 4:44 AM
Dale - they have got to build it first! Seems a lot of the projects are in limbo right now :-(

bennywah
Feb 28, 2007, 5:20 AM
hmm mo is the title holder to the land on 301 should it foreclose, so he could move this project there if worse comes to worse, lol

sugit
Feb 28, 2007, 5:43 AM
Benny - Are you referring to Mo Mohanna? He does not own the loan on 301CM. It's a guy named Joseph Mohamed

urban_encounter
Feb 28, 2007, 10:52 PM
Dale - they have got to build it first! Seems a lot of the projects are in limbo right now :-(


Actually there's less limbo this week than there has been in the past couple. Especially since all of the movement has been in the right direction...

601 CM in escrow with a secured city loan... Hopefully Aura can begin construction in the next 30 days, should Nassi close the construction loan that (he claims) is locked up... (we'll see)

500 CM is cleared for construction and this one is privately financed and is already somewhat u/c (with the retaining wall) I imagine this one will be on the fast track..

621 u/c

CalSTRS u/c

The big question mark is 301 CM??? Brandon believes we will hear something this week... :fingerscrossed:


So technically the new thread title is Sacramento Capitol Grand Tower 965'/ 70 floors... Soo Sweet

Maybe one of the moderators can update the thread title to reflect the change in height etc.....

foxmtbr
Mar 1, 2007, 12:50 AM
^ Yes, a mod could change it, but I believe it would be more truthful to say 70 floors- 771'/965' to spire.

innov8
Mar 1, 2007, 5:35 AM
I PM a request to the SteelyDan for a name change :tup:

urban_encounter
Mar 1, 2007, 10:37 PM
Come on California Medical Association................

Make this baby happen...

:fingerscrossed:

innov8
Mar 16, 2007, 5:47 AM
Capitol Grand (in-color)
http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/2166/cgelevation20070315dv5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

These are photos of the renderings that were given to me on 11 x 17 sheets
of paper. I wanted to scan them but they are just to big.

Anyway, like I have said before, the NEW Capitol Grand rendering that is
nearly finished with the EIR process is 965' to the top of the spire. To the
top of the structure is 771' and the spire on top rises up 194' to the final
height of 965'. To meet parking requirements with the city the tower has
7 of above ground parking and 6 below. The below grade parking would go
down 75' and have slurry walls of 3 feet thick surrounding the hole.

My only real complaint at this point is the look of the base at the street
level. It has a bunker quality about it... could use a little work.

The Tower would use 5 different types of stone, 2 different types of glass,
2 different types of metal and 3 different types of concrete. I think that
pretty impressive for a tower of this size.

The big question... will it be built???


http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/9617/cgground20070315ct9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

alphawolf
Mar 16, 2007, 6:13 AM
What an icon of a tower!

enigma99a
Mar 16, 2007, 6:35 AM
Great work Mike

Now, if you could update the first page of this tread with the new render that would be perfect!

TheDerek
Mar 16, 2007, 7:46 AM
more than twice the size of the WFB... wonder how far youll be able to see this thing from? does anyone know when this thing would be likely to get built if it does?

BANKofMANHATTAN
Mar 16, 2007, 2:17 PM
Wow, i liked the first design a lot, but more height and a crown/spire is just up my alley! I'd be nice if they put just a tad more effort into decorating the top, but as stated above, the rendering isn't a final apparently. Great none the less...

innov8
Mar 16, 2007, 3:37 PM
Great work Mike

Now, if you could update the first page of this tread with the new render that would be perfect!

Done :tup:

BrianSac
Mar 16, 2007, 4:20 PM
Well, they're not the first to try to play off the mansard roof theme (if, in fact, that's what they're doing). This is one of the design concepts submitted for Lot A by Philip Johnson (RIP) and John Burgee back around 1989 or so. The round building, as some of you may recall, was supposed to be a Ritz Carlton. And then, of course, the recession hit....

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8057/sacramentolota1xx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Thanks for finding and posting that pic; I remember that proposal. I still think that combo of buildings makes an excellent block. I've always been a fan of mansard roofs, and that tiered design is awesome!

BTW, what happened to the idea of lighting the cal epa building on the top; i swear that was in the orginal design, and when the hell are they going to light ziggurnat. I'm glad you are in town making a splash, we need more like you! Please dont go back to nyc although im sure its tempting; im getting the itch for another visit.

BrianSac
Mar 16, 2007, 4:52 PM
Ya, baby, bring it on, build it, damn it!

Love all 965 feet of it! Except, make it all glass, think the Swiss built London Bullet. Too much concrete at the top and bottom.

Members of the Old City Assoc and Nimbys can be tortured by having them walk the plank from the roof of this building once they are found guilty for breaking one of their own stupid laws. :runaway: :dead: (just kidding)

BrianSac
Mar 16, 2007, 5:00 PM
Ya, baby, bring it on, build it, damn it!

Love all 965 feet of it! Except, make it all glass, think the Swiss built London Bullet. Too much concrete at the top and bottom.

Members of the Old City Assoc and Nimbys can be tortured by having them walk the plank from the roof of this building once they are found guilty for breaking one of their own stupid laws. :runaway: :dead: (just kidding)
Ya, know this bulding, all glass.

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Sacto
Mar 16, 2007, 5:12 PM
Glass or concrete doesn't really matter that much at this time...we really need something of this height especially with the towers being where they are right now.

plinko
Mar 16, 2007, 7:07 PM
Happy! That's a big ass proposal. Good to see they've refined the design and essentially lessened the mansard. Sure, it has its place on 8 story street wall buildings, but mansards on a tower are rarely a good idea (I have the same opinions about domes).

It's really unfortunate though that the building is a square. Imagine a tower of this height with a narrow side facing J Street (ala Park Tower in Chicago). THAT would look sweet.

foxmtbr
Mar 16, 2007, 8:11 PM
Wow!!! Thanks for posting that, innov8!

urban_encounter
Mar 17, 2007, 3:40 PM
Thanks for finding and posting that pic; I remember that proposal. I still think that combo of buildings makes an excellent block. I've always been a fan of mansard roofs, and that tiered design is awesome!

BTW, what happened to the idea of lighting the cal epa building on the top; i swear that was in the orginal design, and when the hell are they going to light ziggurnat. I'm glad you are in town making a splash, we need more like you! Please dont go back to nyc although im sure its tempting; im getting the itch for another visit.


The city council really pushed Mansard roofs back in the 80's...

They were trying to play off the historical significance of the Cal West (The "Citizen Hotel") and the Elks Building..

In fact the first proposal for the Riverfront Embassy Suites had a Mansard roof......


I like the latests desing for the CG.

I just wonder how much influence the California Medical Assoicaiton will have at seeing it thorugh to construction???

:fingerscrossed:

MasonsInquiries
Mar 18, 2007, 1:31 AM
beautiful projects, sacramento!!:)

ltsmotorsport
Mar 18, 2007, 7:26 AM
It does look really good in color. Hopefully this will go before the DRB in a couple months.

Web
Mar 18, 2007, 6:46 PM
I say we need the honorable Mo Mohanna to win some sort of beautiful development award or something....most of what he owns is so cute and beautiful

StevenW
Mar 19, 2007, 1:12 PM
I like the tower. :yes:

urban_encounter
Mar 20, 2007, 12:42 AM
I say we need the honorable Mo Mohanna to win some sort of beautiful development award or something....most of what he owns is so cute and beautiful


:haha:

cwilson758
Mar 29, 2007, 1:47 PM
Hopefully this gets built. Very nice tyower and up there with Nashville's Signature Tower in terms of classic look.

sbarn
May 19, 2007, 2:15 AM
What's going on with this tower... now that "The Towers" project croaked, this is Sacramento's biggest hope for a signature tower.

Thanks!

Jay916
May 19, 2007, 9:31 AM
^^I may have to edit my avatar.:(

ltsmotorsport
May 19, 2007, 10:00 PM
It's been put on hold. Not surprising though given the current conditions.

creamcityleo79
May 20, 2007, 6:41 AM
What's going on with this tower... now that "The Towers" project croaked, this is Sacramento's biggest hope for a signature tower.

Thanks!
THE TOWERS ARE NOT CANCELLED! Quit saying stuff like that. There will be an announcement when it is officially cancelled. SOMETHING is going to happen there. There are already hundreds of piles driven in the ground. It's a matter of financing. Nothing has been released lately. That doesn't mean it's cancelled.

aluminum
Jun 7, 2007, 9:15 PM
Great tower, love the spire on top...

JeffZurn
Jul 19, 2007, 8:45 PM
Does anyone have any updated info on the Grand? Last I heard he was done with the traffic and waiting on the EIR

Lecom
Jul 19, 2007, 10:26 PM
Hope this one gets built. Should top off the city's skyline nicely.

innov8
Jul 20, 2007, 7:18 PM
The EIR schedule is on hold at this time. The applicant is required to
pay additional fees for the environmental document preparation before it
can move forward. The traffic study is done though :yes:

Reminiscence
Jul 21, 2007, 5:57 AM
This is actually the first that I hear about such a project. Looks stunning in my opinion, almost as tall as the Bank of America Tower here in SF. I like the design as well. I hope they add this as it would make for a nice pinnacle in the Sacramento skyline. Too bad they have not added the extra height to take it to 1000', but even so, great proposal!

James2390
Jul 21, 2007, 5:10 PM
I like this building, but it looks a bit cheap. Hopefully after it's completed it will prove me wrong.

Scruffy
Jul 21, 2007, 7:56 PM
whoa, left field. looks a great signature tower for the city. sweet. hope it progresses

KevinFromTexas
Jul 22, 2007, 4:57 AM
Cool. Had no idea they were pushing for that much height. That's fantastic. Right now that would be the tallest in Cali outside of LA...

JSCANLON
Sep 18, 2007, 7:34 PM
Any news on the capitol grand ?