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R@ptor
Jan 16, 2006, 7:25 PM
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It's definitely at least 50 meters taller in this rendering than in previous ones. :)

phillyskyline
Jan 16, 2006, 7:34 PM
I like this new rendering, especially it being clad in silver...

Sacto
Jan 16, 2006, 7:56 PM
Very nice, thanks for the update!!!

malec
Jan 16, 2006, 7:58 PM
I'm wondering, what do people prefer, this design or the old one.

This has to be the 800m version btw.

STR
Jan 17, 2006, 1:36 AM
A new render
More confusion http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Not really. They just finalized the upper part of the building, which looked patently unfinished. Notice the occupied portion is completely unchanged while the upper portion (which is about 1/6 of the tower now) has been stretched. This is in standing with what has already been stated; that the height has been increased, but not the number of floors.

High Pointer
Jan 17, 2006, 2:30 AM
A new render

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/762/burjdubai28af.jpg


More confusion http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

I'm not seeing the image. I even went into the source code and got the URL, which also doesn't work.

EDIT: never mind! It showed up one minute later. The forum is playing cruel tricks on me, methinks...

malec
Jan 17, 2006, 6:50 PM
Not really. They just finalized the upper part of the building, which looked patently unfinished. Notice the occupied portion is completely unchanged while the upper portion (which is about 1/6 of the tower now) has been stretched. This is in standing with what has already been stated; that the height has been increased, but not the number of floors.
Exactly. All they did was increase the height of the steel structure above the concrete core which will be 575m as stated by Doka.

When I mean confusion I'm talking about the height. I'm not entirely sure where the concrete part ends and steel structure starts but this is where I think it is on the diagram:

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/5600/burjdubai28af4tx.jpg

It's the steel part's height that's kept secret although based on the proportions of this render the tower turns out to be 803m give or take a few, to the tip of the spire

jamesinclair
Jan 17, 2006, 10:05 PM
This is one of the few buildings in which I think a spire makes sense. It works well with the rest of the structure

Sacto
Jan 17, 2006, 10:07 PM
This is one of the few buildings in which I think a spire makes sense. It works well with the rest of the structure

Amen to that.

NYguy
Jan 19, 2006, 2:22 PM
David Scott of Arup to chair Council on Tall Buildings

18 January 2006

David Scott, a structural engineer and principal at Arup (New York), the global consulting and engineering firm, has been named to chair the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat. His three-year term begins officially on 1st February 2006.

Mr. Scott has led Arup’s structural design work on numerous large and prestigious building projects throughout the world. His career in tall buildings started with Norman Foster’s Hong Kong and Shanghai Bank in 1981, where he was involved as designer and site engineer from concept to completion.

Since that time he has worked on high-rise buildings throughout the world in Europe, Asia, Africa and the Americas. Based in New York since 1998, he has been involved in projects such as the master-planning and structural schemes for the Manhattan Freedom Tower with Daniel Libeskind, and overseas projects in London and Korea.

“David’s appointment heralds the continued expansion of the Council’s activities and influence in the field of urban and tall building design and construction,” said Ron Klemencic, president of Magnusson Klemencic Associates and outgoing chairman of the Council. “His leadership, expertise and commitment will enhance the organisation’s stature as the pre-eminent guiding force and touchstone for the planning, design and construction of urban landscapes globally.”

David Scott’s additional assignments have included the award-winning design for the international terminal at Hong Kong Airport, the 300m Cheung Kong Center and the 425m Landmark Tower in Hong Kong: the Orca tower in Warsaw, Poland; and the Northeast Asia Tower in Songdo, Korea.

He was a team leader working with contractors on the search, recovery and clean-up of the World Trade Center site after the September 11 attack and was extensively involved in the subsequent industry review of building design and standards. He has authored papers on seismic design, wind engineering, the performance of tall buildings in fire, composite structures and the design of long-¬span roofs.

750m forecast for Burj Dubai

Noting the recent scale of new investment and re-commitment to tall buildings, which makes it a very interesting, and important time for tall building design, he said that new technologies and a greater understanding of how these buildings perform under normal and extreme conditions, are making tall buildings more robust, more efficient and more sustainable.

“The current tallest building in the world is Taipei 101 at 508m. Emaar’s Burj Dubai, by SOM, now under construction, will set the new world record when it tops out at approximately 750m. These buildings are enormous and demonstrate a very high level of confidence in the performance of tall buildings. But few new buildings are targeting the tallest spot, and the drive to be tallest has moved out of reach for most developers,” said Mr. Scott.

Fabb
Jan 19, 2006, 4:48 PM
the 300m Cheung Kong Center and the 425m Landmark Tower in Hong Kong:

Wrong, and wrong again.

-GR2NY-
Jan 19, 2006, 8:02 PM
Hopefully I'll be able to see the spire from michigan soon. ;)

malec
Jan 21, 2006, 1:30 PM
Another image of the new design, a model:

http://www.tu.no/multimedia/archive/00023/17_Innsikt_burj_mode_23284d.jpg


This better not be the real thing (an oldish render I think) :hahaha:

http://www.emiratesestate.com/projects/images/burjdubai.jpg

Razqal
Jan 21, 2006, 1:36 PM
what's going to be on those very top floors? they look extremely skinny. the building probably must sway alot in the wind.

malec
Jan 21, 2006, 1:45 PM
^^ The very top will be part of the spire.
To make it look good it seems they'll just put glass cladding on it like the rest of the tower.
Maybe they'll put a small observation point up on top there

Slugbelch
Jan 21, 2006, 10:41 PM
:yes: Latest photos added over at SSC:cheers:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=7088927#post7088927

Daquan13
Jan 21, 2006, 11:08 PM
^^ The very top will be part of the spire.
To make it look good it seems they'll just put glass cladding on it like the rest of the tower.
Maybe they'll put a small observation point up on top there



If so, I don't think it will be able to accommodate more than a few people at a time.:frog:

malec
Jan 21, 2006, 11:29 PM
Whether there'll be something up there or not I have to say this is one tower that definitely needs a spire like this for it to look good. Am glad it's not just some pole stuck on top of a building as is usually the case

giovanni sasso
Jan 22, 2006, 12:47 AM
they should put a giant UAE flag on the spire.

GO_UAE
Jan 23, 2006, 6:49 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-61270731103473049&q=dubai


Interesting Video :) you see an example of an apartment AND an elevator with buttons going up to 189 i believe

watch it guys

Slugbelch
Jan 23, 2006, 3:33 PM
:previous: If you are looking for BD stuff and don't have time for the 25min. video, it is roughly 16 min. into the show. It's only a couple minutes.:tup:

JACKinBeantown
Jan 23, 2006, 5:12 PM
If so, I don't think it will be able to accommodate more than a few people at a time.:frog:

They could make a three-story observation deck. At that height it wouldn't matter if you're on the 158th or the 160th floor. The view will be the same.

JACKinBeantown
Jan 23, 2006, 5:14 PM
oops... deleted mistake

-GR2NY-
Jan 31, 2006, 4:56 PM
Oh my poor baby fell down to page 2. [picks up and dusts off burj dubai thread].

For being the worlds tallest building by a longshot, this is an outrage!! :)

JACKinBeantown
Jan 31, 2006, 5:02 PM
Yeah, well if the forumers in Dubai would update every once-in-a-while it would stay near the top.

Slugbelch
Jan 31, 2006, 8:42 PM
Being a new member, my intersts are the 3 supertalls (4 including the Russian Fed. bldg.).

Why such little interests in this building, especially from Dubais own home residences? Over at SSC, the last photos were on 1-21-06.

This building is setting a new standard in skyscrapers, I thought this thread would as well. Maybe when it gets taller, more interest will hopefully follow.:shrug:

BTW I noticed malec posts in both places, maybe he knows some of them over there to post. Good luck malec.

some_stupid_nut
Jan 31, 2006, 9:52 PM
Am I the only person who cant see a difference between the old and newer design?

malec
Jan 31, 2006, 10:57 PM
^^ This comparrison says it all:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/53/Burj_dubai_render_comparison.jpg


Notice that most of the tower has remained unchanged but that the top is completely different.

malec
Jan 31, 2006, 11:15 PM
This building is setting a new standard in skyscrapers, I thought this thread would as well. Maybe when it gets taller, more interest will hopefully follow.:shrug:

Well, the difference between here and SSC is that the percentage of American forumers here is way higher so naturally, there are far more posts in the fordham spire thread than this one. It's because this one is in a country half way around the world while.


Aswell, I don't know if I posted these pics:

From a webcam

http://i1.tinypic.com/mmbfj4.jpg

This was taken on the 21st of january by AltinD over at SSC:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/BD2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/BD4.jpg


The reason why there aren't that many updates is first of all, because the Dubai forumers are really busy and they don't always have the time. Also because it's pointless posting pics every day. It's better to take them once every 2 weeks or something so you notice the changes.

BTW, if you want daily burj dubai updates here's that webcam. Mess around with it until you find the burj:

http://www.dubaitourism.ae/Webcam/default.asp

malec
Feb 1, 2006, 5:49 PM
OK, here are the latest pics, taken today I think:

http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2006/01/burj1.jpg

http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2006/01/burj2.jpg


Now someone had better post within the next hour or else :whip: :whip:

STR
Feb 1, 2006, 6:01 PM
I would have thought the nose colums would have risen with the rest of the structure.

Slugbelch
Feb 1, 2006, 6:36 PM
Thanks malec.

But it looks like to me that these are about the same age as the 1-21-06 photos above. The wings floors are still visible at floor 14 with scaffolding covering up the rest and the nose levels are at the same floor.

But every new photo reveals more information:

What is interesting about these two new photos, is that the nose ends are currently at floor 1. and the surrounding structure that will join it, from the side being shown, will be 4 stories tall.

Also, the bottom floor (-5) is almost covered.

The very inner wing (on this side of the bldg.) are also having floor numbers painted on them.

malec, do you know what side is being shown (N,S,E, or West)?

Thanks for posting photos.:cool:

-GR2NY-
Feb 1, 2006, 6:51 PM
wow. the yellow is the start of the cladding?? With that, its starting to look much more like the rendering!

malec
Feb 1, 2006, 7:01 PM
I would have thought the nose colums would have risen with the rest of the structure.
I don't know. Someone on SSC said that it's because doka are only doing the main structure. What can be seen though now that they're rising too, is that even though they're small they do add considerable width.

-GR2NY-
Feb 1, 2006, 7:40 PM
I could see something as big as this being built in vegas in the next 10 years. I think that would be the only American City to do something on this scale.

Vegas has never been about height. This thing is way out of place anywhere on earth, especially in vegas. I cant see something like this being built there.

UrbanSoldier
Feb 1, 2006, 8:25 PM
wow. the yellow is the start of the cladding?? With that, its starting to look much more like the rendering!

If I'm not mistaken, the yellow cladding is in place while they install the floors into the concrete structure.

sask1982
Feb 1, 2006, 8:47 PM
wow. the yellow is the start of the cladding?? With that, its starting to look much more like the rendering!

They wouldn't be cladding the core would they? The steel frame still has to be erected doesn't it?

JACKinBeantown
Feb 1, 2006, 8:54 PM
These photos are from the same stage as the previous ones. I counted the floors. Still, it's always interesting to see photos from a different angle. Thanks for posting them.

malec
Feb 1, 2006, 9:36 PM
They wouldn't be cladding the core would they? The steel frame still has to be erected doesn't it?
Nope both of you are wrong. :D

First of all this is NOT the cladding. If it was then :yuck: .
Aswell what you see there is not the core. The whole building is pretty much a concrete structure.

jamesinclair
Feb 1, 2006, 11:25 PM
Vegas has never been about height. This thing is way out of place anywhere on earth, especially in vegas. I cant see something like this being built there.

Stratosphere?

Slugbelch
Feb 2, 2006, 3:04 PM
:yes: Latest photos just added over at SSC:cheers:

Latest (visible) floors added are 15 on the wings and 23 in the center. 16 is there, but the number is not painted yet.
The nose colums are currently being poured at floor 2.

Looks like the maintenance level is being shown at floor 16-18

Also, I believe this is a different side than the previous photos, then the surrounding structure to join it, or podium, is also going to be at the 4th floor.

http://skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=7226188&postcount=29

http://skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=7226243&postcount=30

STR
Feb 2, 2006, 4:42 PM
Nope both of you are wrong. :D

First of all this is NOT the cladding. If it was then :yuck: .
Aswell what you see there is not the core. The whole building is pretty much a concrete structure.

Yep, you can see in the pic below that what's there is the full floors. Otherwise they wouldn't curve the outer sections. In spite of being twice as tall, Burj Dubai will have about as much gross floor area (3.7M sqft) as the Chicago Aon Center.

http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2006/01/burj1.jpg

tuy
Feb 2, 2006, 7:48 PM
The yellow is either part of the form structure for the floors, or protection for the workers who are working on them.

-GR2NY-
Feb 3, 2006, 7:01 PM
Nope both of you are wrong. :D

First of all this is NOT the cladding. If it was then :yuck: .
Aswell what you see there is not the core. The whole building is pretty much a concrete structure.


I never said external cladding. I was thinking more on the lines of support. Nonetheless, you can see a rough outlook on what the glass/steel cladding will end up creating in basic shape.

AhChu
Feb 3, 2006, 9:51 PM
Las Vegas probably will not build something of this height for quite a long time. One of the main reasons is that the construction costs cannot be justified. Who wants to spend $2500 per square foot on the 20th floor or a similar building but only 40 stories tall and pay $600 per square foot. Either way, it is definitely an interesting concept.

malec
Feb 6, 2006, 11:40 PM
Some more pics that were taken on feb 2nd:


http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2006/02/n2g5zs.jpg

http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2006/02/n2g3k6.jpg

http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2006/02/n2g49f.jpg

http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2006/02/n2g4dx.jpg


And btw, if you want to see a little thread made by me showing various other projects in this city go here (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=1852838#post1852838) :)

Stephenapolis
Feb 7, 2006, 12:08 AM
Wow! There sure are alot of cranes!!

Spooky873
Feb 7, 2006, 1:54 AM
i said it once and ill say it again, like getting breast implants

STR
Feb 7, 2006, 4:56 AM
Las Vegas probably will not build something of this height for quite a long time. One of the main reasons is that the construction costs cannot be justified. Who wants to spend $2500 per square foot on the 20th floor or a similar building but only 40 stories tall and pay $600 per square foot. Either way, it is definitely an interesting concept.

Vegas won't build anything like this because of Nellis Air Force Base.

golscorer4
Feb 8, 2006, 1:09 AM
The new edition of Architectural Record has an article about the current, ridiculously large, developments in Dubai. Included is a really sharp version of that "new" rendering. It shows a lot more detail in the facade system than the one posted above does. Check it out at your local magazine stand if you don't subscribe.

Slugbelch
Feb 8, 2006, 5:20 PM
http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/5599/bd2820066fv.jpg

colemonkee
Feb 9, 2006, 12:00 AM
Whoa! That's one smoggy day! Good progress, though. This thing is flying!

some_stupid_nut
Feb 9, 2006, 4:14 AM
The new edition of Architectural Record has an article about the current, ridiculously large, developments in Dubai. Included is a really sharp version of that "new" rendering. It shows a lot more detail in the facade system than the one posted above does. Check it out at your local magazine stand if you don't subscribe.

Maybe you could scan it for us pretty please?

-GR2NY-
Feb 10, 2006, 9:14 PM
http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/5599/bd2820066fv.jpg

This is effing rediculous to think that its about 1/8'th or less of its final height.

:worship:

JACKinBeantown
Feb 10, 2006, 9:22 PM
Dubai people are sleeping.

Slugbelch
Feb 11, 2006, 8:49 PM
:) Latest photos just added over at SSC:cheers:

Center core at floor 26 (27th being poured)
Wings are still at 16 (17 being poured)
Noses are at floor 2 with floor 3 posts set and ready for 4's floor
Floors for the wings are now at an average 8th flloor

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=7338748&postcount=115
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=7338791&postcount=117
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=7338830&postcount=118

maximumchunk
Feb 12, 2006, 1:47 AM
I must applaud them for taking on such an ambitious project. It will truly be a world architectual wonder when completed in 07.

-GR2NY-
Feb 13, 2006, 5:28 PM
It'll nearly top out by the end of 06 won't it?

John Hinds
Feb 13, 2006, 6:51 PM
It'll nearly top out by the end of 06 won't it?
No, won't top out until summer-autumn 2008.

It's been going for a year and it's only 26 floors high, and there are at least 160 floors.

Jularc
Feb 13, 2006, 6:55 PM
It is getting bigger... Just incredible.

NYguy
Feb 13, 2006, 9:16 PM
Khaleej Times

Could Dubai become the most important city on earth?


By Adam Nicolson (Guardian News Service)
13 February 2006


DUBAI - Dubai is growing faster than any city on earth, spending mind-boggling sums on a construction programme that is nothing less than dazzling. But what is truly impressive is the scale of its ambition. Could it become the most important place on the planet?

It looks like a hot Grozny. On the vast invented islands offshore and in the even vaster building sites that stretch in a wide band the whole length of Dubai’s now famous riviera, acre on acre of grey- faced, concrete, hollow-eyed buildings, fenced in with scaffolding and overhung by tower cranes, stare at each other across the sands. Tower blocks look abandoned rather than half-made. It is said that a fifth of the world’s cranes are now at work here. An army of some 250,000 men, largely from India and Pakistan, are labouring to create the new glimmer fantasy, earning on average GBP150 a month, and living in camps, four to a room, 12ft by 12ft, hidden away in the industrial quarters of Al Quoz. One night in one of the luxury hotels would cost six months’ wages of one of the men who built it. Below and around their work sites, the new streets are chaotic with rubble and piles of steel.

The traffic is already as bad as Los Angeles. The city authorities are now giving priority to new roads, hundreds of millions of dollars are being spent on bridges across the Dubai Creek, five lanes in each direction, but still a taxi ride that might take 10 minutes at midday lasts an hour at either end of it. If you ask a driver to take you to some places, he laughs. “Do you want to have a very long talk?” he says.

Dubai is growing faster than any city on earth. “Mushroom City”, Ravi Piyush, a plumply content dealer in the Gold Souk, said to me. “Nothing today, everything tomorrow.” The World Bank reckons that the reconstruction of Iraq is going to cost $53bn. Here, along the strip of footballer-friendly sand that stretches 25 miles or so along the shores of the Persian Gulf, there is, at a rough estimate, about $100bn worth of projects either underway or planned for the near future. That is a numbing figure, ungraspable. It is the equivalent of every single dollar invested in the United States from abroad last year; almost twice the foreign investment in China.

History rising

There are the three famous palms, laden with more hotels and more ”signature villas” than the entire English football Premiership might ever dream of. The 7,000-man workforce on one of them is too large to get on to the palm each morning without creating its own traffic jam: they are shipped in by sea from further along the coast. There’s to be a Giorgio Armani Hotel and a Palazzo Versace.

There’s the tallest building in the world, Burj Dubai, costing $800m and said to be 800m tall when complete, but the precise figure is being kept secret in case New York’s new Freedom Tower tries to top it. A billboard the size of London’s Piccadilly Circus stands out in the desert showing the pencil-thin rocket of a tower alongside a simple rubric: “History Rising.”

The biggest shopping mall in the world is already here. Another, bigger, the world’s largest retail development, is under construction.

There’s to be an underwater hotel ($500m). One indoor ski resort, with real snow and its own black run, exists already, a weird, looming presence on the city’s southern skyline. There is to be a second, with a revolving mountain. Plans are mooted for a Chess City, with 32 tower blocks of 64 floors, each in the form of a chess piece. There’s to be a 60-floor apartment block in the shape of Big Ben. One company selling flats is giving away a free Jag with each one. There will be a pyramid and a building called Atlantis that will cost $600m and include a “swim-with-the-dolphins encounter programme”. An Aviation City and a Cargo Village, an Aid City and a Humanitarian Free Zone, an Exhibition City and a Festival City, a Healthcare City and a Flower City, a $4bn extension to the airport and another entirely new airport along the coast towards Abu Dhabi, for which no figures are available but you can take a guess at a few billion: six runways, annual capacity 120 million passengers, 12 million tonnes of cargo.

Next to it, as the Dubai government’s Department of Tourism and Commerce Marketing puts it, “There will be several smaller cities that will cater to the financial, industrial, service and tourism industries.” To fill these airports, Emirates, the national airline, has just placed the biggest order that Boeing has ever had: $9.7bn for 42 777s, each capable of carrying 300 passengers non-stop more than 9,000 miles across the world. They have also ordered a fleet of the biggest airbuses on offer, each capable of carrying 555 people.

Middle East’s answer to Disneyland

The Middle East’s answer to Disneyland, called Dubailand, which is far larger than Monaco, is costing $4.5bn. It will employ 300,000 people in the various joylands, servicing 15 million visitors. A new urban railway, with 37 stops, begins construction shortly. Dubai is to have its own Silicon Oasis ($1.7bn) for computer companies. A mixed development called Dubai Waterfront/Arabian Canal covers an area larger than Barbados and will house, when completed ($6bn), more people than Paris.

There’s another side to Dubai. Drive south along the Gulf, away from the glamour zone of the great hotels, past the giant malls and the huge gas-fired power stations, almost to the western border of Dubai, and you come to the largest man-made harbour in the world. The unapproachably vast quays of the modern port at Jebel Ali were dredged out of the desert sands in 1979 at a place where, Sheikh Rashid used to come for evenings camping with his friends. Abdulla bin Damithan, one of the port managers, showed me around in his red Audi. (This was a replacement; the BMW was in for service.) The 1.5 mile-long quays are so enormous that to look the length of them is to stare into a desert haze. Halfway along, the metal bodies of the ships and cranes disappear like mirages.

But it is no dreamy place: every minute, every towering gantry crane lifts another container off the high-stacked decks of the bulbous ships alongside, lowers it to a waiting truck that delivers it to another part of the site, or transfers it from the unimaginably huge motherships, which travel the world oceans, to the slightly less huge feeder ships which service the Gulf, the Indian trade and the Mediterranean. Nothing interrupts the movements, day and night, 365 days a year, even in July at 90% humidity, an air temperature usually over 49C and when even the seawater in the docks approaches 38C. No one works outside. More than seven million containers are moved here in the course of the year, a figure that grew 23% last year, and is set to triple within the next six years, serving a market of two billion people in the Middle East. It’s like looking at the guts of the world, the usually hidden machinery by which things actually happen. Over on the other side of the harbour, two diminutive destroyers are tied up, the stars and stripes hanging off their sterns. This is where the American carrier battle groups patrolling the Gulf come for service - and shopping. It’s the port most visited by the US navy outside the United States.

Like almost everything of any significance in Dubai, the port system belongs to the state, or to the Maktoums, the ruling family. The two are indistinguishable, and in some ways, Dubai is a princely vision of how the world might be. The Maktoums came here as Bedouin chieftains in the 1820s, to a small, palm-fringed trading creek, where political control was in the hands of the British. Only in 1971 did Dubai gain independence as part of the United Arab Emirates. It was already known that Abu Dhabi, by far the biggest and richest of the Emirates, was sitting on a vast mineral reserve. At current rates of production, Abu Dhabi has more than 120 years’ supply of oil and gas still untapped. Dubai is nothing like so well endowed, and so from the 1960s onwards, the Maktoums have been consciously shaping Dubai as the trading and financial motor of the Emirates, and the Dubai ports system is central to their vision.

Dubai sits on the all-important strategic routeway of the modern world: China, India, Middle East, Europe and the US. That is where the money is going to be. China has just become the third biggest economy in the world and it is the fastest growing. India is set for its own acceleration. The Maktoum plan is to make Dubai the centre of a global strategic network of port facilities to rival Singapore and the huge Hong Kong-based conglomerate of Hutchison-Whampoa. They have been acquiring hard and fast and now control massive facilities in China, Hong Kong, Australia, South Korea, India, Yemen, Djibouti, Saudi Arabia, Romania, Germany and Latin America. In a profoundly symbolic move, Dubai Ports are now manoeuvring to make a bid for the great harbours in southern Iraq.

Razqal
Feb 14, 2006, 6:29 PM
i doubt it. just because you're building zillions of skyscrapers and have a big port does not mean you will become the most important city. and in what sense anyway? many cities are important in many different ways. dubai may become the most important city in the mideast, but certainly not the world. and exactly what other industries does it have except oil and shopping mall anyway?

Slugbelch
Feb 14, 2006, 6:40 PM
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/3117/111un.jpg

malec
Feb 14, 2006, 6:43 PM
i doubt it. just because you're building zillions of skyscrapers and have a big port does not mean you will become the most important city. and in what sense anyway? many cities are important in many different ways. dubai may become the most important city in the mideast, but certainly not the world. and exactly what other industries does it have except oil and shopping mall anyway?
Trade:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=98665

DP World will become the world's 3rd biggest port opperator now.

Razqal
Feb 14, 2006, 11:55 PM
Trade:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=98665

DP World will become the world's 3rd biggest port opperator now.


but i dont think having a big port would make you the world's most important city. you need a foundation first, like a highly educated populace, world class schools and universities, developed infrastructure - not just roads and facilities - but financial markets, legal system, etc., etc., etc.

i dont think dubai is anywhere close to being where new york city or london are. even globally important cities like hong kong, tokyo and singapore - cities with big ports and important in trade - dont rank up there.

giallo
Feb 15, 2006, 1:21 AM
Thanks for the update, slugblech.

malec
Feb 15, 2006, 1:28 AM
but i dont think having a big port would make you the world's most important city. you need a foundation first, like a highly educated populace, world class schools and universities, developed infrastructure - not just roads and facilities - but financial markets, legal system, etc., etc., etc.

i dont think dubai is anywhere close to being where new york city or london are. even globally important cities like hong kong, tokyo and singapore - cities with big ports and important in trade - dont rank up there.
Of course it isn't. It's nowhere near alpha cities. I was just pointing out that Dubai isn't just skyscrapers and shopping centres and oil.

horatio_the_hermit
Feb 15, 2006, 2:39 AM
oh my god. That is huge. Thats just the core right?
Wow. Dubai is amazing. And look at all the construction in the background

JBinCalgary
Feb 15, 2006, 3:17 AM
how long are they expecting this to take?

Slugbelch
Feb 15, 2006, 4:59 AM
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/7396/401small4qk.jpg
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/9169/4248ab.jpg

:sly: :shrug:

malec
Feb 15, 2006, 9:33 AM
About right yes

Slugbelch
Feb 15, 2006, 3:21 PM
I wasn't sure if the doka website was still accurate on their plans section where I saw the drawing of the top view. I made a rough drawing with the ol' paint pgm. trying to see if it matches the actual site.

When doka updated the site with the new pic, it seems like I saw the rough sketch in the sand of the curved pieces.

Do you think they will add more floors to the parking deck? To me, it looks like they are done as there are no more concrete posts being set?

Slugbelch
Feb 16, 2006, 10:10 PM
:) 1 new photo added over at SSC taken today.:cheers:

Looks like the same age as the previous ones (#657)

core: visible level at floor 24 (3 floors inside scaffolding)
wings: visible level at floor 15 (3 under scaffolding)
noses: floor 3 and 4 (with floor 5 posts set on one of the sides)

The parking deck side (southwest?).

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=7396181&postcount=181

malec
Feb 17, 2006, 12:43 AM
Latest photo:

http://i1.tinypic.com/nx5f00.jpg

bluelouboil
Feb 17, 2006, 3:18 PM
How long of a flight is it to Dubai from the States? I can't imagine making this an annual vacation stop for me considering it is on the other side of Africa.

I'd rather go to Europe where there is rich culture and history. Plus it's just a matter of time before the religious fanatics over there start bombing innocent civilian targets.

Slugbelch
Feb 19, 2006, 2:52 AM
Playin' in the paint today:

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1476/14wk2.jpg
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/900/10uq.jpg

Grumpy
Feb 19, 2006, 8:48 PM
my goodness this is art!

A Q: where is the monorail station located ?

malec
Feb 19, 2006, 9:07 PM
New pics from today

Central Core on the 29th level, while the wings are at level 18.


http://i1.tinypic.com/o55mx3.jpg

http://i1.tinypic.com/o55oip.jpg

http://i1.tinypic.com/o56amh.jpg

http://i1.tinypic.com/o56b6d.jpg

http://i1.tinypic.com/o56bl3.jpg

http://i1.tinypic.com/o56c14.jpg

colemonkee
Feb 19, 2006, 10:50 PM
Massive. Thanks for the update.

giallo
Feb 20, 2006, 3:17 AM
Little girly building.

CTroyMathis
Feb 20, 2006, 4:06 AM
More great updates up there, malec.

Fabb
Feb 20, 2006, 4:26 PM
With respect to the structure, the construction workers look small, indeed.

Daquan13
Feb 20, 2006, 8:01 PM
And note those smaller cranes which are folded up much like the way that a praying mantis folds its front legs.

Slugbelch
Feb 20, 2006, 8:43 PM
If you mean the red ones on the wings, those are the concrete dispencers. BTW, I would like to see the pumping station. It must be one of a kind to have to pump over 600 meters high later on.

gooner84
Feb 24, 2006, 5:22 PM
If you mean the red ones on the wings, those are the concrete dispencers. BTW, I would like to see the pumping station. It must be one of a kind to have to pump over 600 meters high later on.

Yeh me too, there is going to have to be a lot of pressure in them bad boys. This tower is going to be amazing once complete, a truly great feat of engineering.

JACKinBeantown
Feb 24, 2006, 5:34 PM
Maybe it will be a multi-level pumping system so each section will only have to pump half the height.

-GR2NY-
Feb 24, 2006, 6:24 PM
Maybe, the guys are gonna haul buckets of wet conrete in a yolk across their shoulders up 30,000 stairs and then just pour it.

colemonkee
Feb 24, 2006, 7:56 PM
Maybe, the guys are gonna haul buckets of wet conrete in a yolk across their shoulders up 30,000 stairs and then just pour it.

:haha: or an old-fashioned fire line, where they line up and pass the buckets up the stairs...

JACKinBeantown
Feb 24, 2006, 9:55 PM
:haha: or an old-fashioned fire line, where they line up and pass the buckets up the stairs...

And pour solid chunks out of the buckets. Then they could just stack them like a brick wall. (Might not have the strength and solidity they want though.) :slob:

JBinCalgary
Feb 24, 2006, 9:59 PM
how long is this project going to take before completion?

Slugbelch
Feb 25, 2006, 2:36 PM
:) New photos added over at SSC:cheers:

8 photos of aerial shots of the entire property.

http://skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=7498172&postcount=283

UPDATE:
The link above are not originals. They came from Brian McMorrows website:

http://www.pbase.com/bmcmorrow/profile

The two links below are originals posted by a forumer.

Slugbelch
Feb 26, 2006, 12:35 AM
^ I should have waited to post because 8 more were added today. They are closeups:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=7504580&postcount=307
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=7504628&postcount=309

Core and wings rose up 1 floor since last pics
Wings haven't moved.

R@ptor
Feb 26, 2006, 4:15 AM
How long of a flight is it to Dubai from the States?

A direct flight from New York takes about 12.5 hours. From Europe it's about 6 hours.

JACKinBeantown
Feb 26, 2006, 5:29 PM
Here's one of those photos from AltinD at SSC. Looks like the core is at 30 floors and the wings are at 18. I guess they're getting the core to a certian height before they get the wings to the first stepback. Does anyone know if that's right?

http://i1.tinypic.com/ojh2bm.jpg

JACKinBeantown
Feb 27, 2006, 6:34 AM
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JBinCalgary
Feb 27, 2006, 2:32 PM
wow! its really progressing

Slugbelch
Mar 3, 2006, 3:52 AM
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/6360/getoneshot32068tv.jpg

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/8266/getoneshot320625kx.jpg

Capsule F
Mar 3, 2006, 4:34 AM
I still can't believe this is going up, incredible.

Fabb
Mar 3, 2006, 7:00 AM
It's already in the 120 to 150 m range, isn't it ?

innov8
Mar 3, 2006, 7:05 AM
Great photo updates malec.

I wonder if they are going stop using the pumping stations after a certain height?
It might be more economical to lift up in giant bucket (like the ones used to build
a dam) and then have hoses and valves to siphon the concrete out the bottom so
gravity does all the work while the concrete sits in a giant bucket above.

Mmmm, just a thought :shrug: