DUBAI | Burj Khalifah (Burj Dubai) | 828 M / 2,716.5 FT - Pinnacle | 162 FLOORS

[Fury]

Hi all.
Hey Bikes' site (http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/) has all the pics incl. the missing ones - nice updates Imre :yes:

Here's something for the size debate... Meva's forms are 160 by 80 cm by the look of these...

http://i14.tinypic.com/4dqu8i1.jpg

http://i14.tinypic.com/301lc3l.jpg

http://i14.tinypic.com/2up78km.jpg

Now check this shot out...

http://i14.tinypic.com/4c8ap11.jpg

You can see 4 full lenth forms and approx 1/2 lenth to wall center. So approx 8 meters for each setback :shrug: Perhaps this will help too. The form plan for levels 35 to 37 - so after the first setback on all 3 wings.

http://i14.tinypic.com/2r4mud3.jpg

I think with some photoshop effort we can eatimate the size of this thing. I tried putting this on SSC no response ...:rolleyes:
Love watching this structure of a lifetime grow. :cheers:

[Fury]

Hi all.
By this (http://www.emporis.com/en/bu/sk/st/tp/wo/) list of tallest skyscrapers we are 34th when we are at 300 meters.

By this (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0886190.html) list of tallest freestanding towers on land we will be 15th when we are at 339 meters - list only goes to 15.

By this (http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_world's_tallest_structures) list of tallest structures we will be like 250th when we are at 400 meters. The list only goes to 400 meters. This list has glaring errors for some buildings but it gives an idea how many masts there is.

Did I mention this is the structure of a lifetime ! - Love it ... :notacrook:

[Sky Tower]

:previous: Wow, great find Fury.

I'm sure STR would find this interesting as his model is probably the most accurate forum model we have access to. I wonder how they measure up?

By my calculations from the centre of the building to the outside edge of the 1st setbacks (excluding the outriggers) I make it about a 40m radius!!!

[Fury]

Hi all.
And then we got this...

http://i14.tinypic.com/4g4x11s.jpg

92 meters from center to podium tip - kool.
They then show us a 64 meter figure. There is an error. They show it extending to the last grey setback which they say is level 7 = 3168 sq m. But that setback is podium level 3 ( which is level 6 of the tower ). Level 7 only has 4 setbacks. So they have the drawing right - 4 tower setbacks and 3 podium, but is the 64 meters to tower setback 1 or podium setback 3 ? Also same for the 3168 figure.
I am inclined to think 64 meters to tip of podium level 3 and 3168 sq m for the tower level 7 ( which is the same size as the slab ). :shrug: :cheers:

[Imre]

07/11/2006

no cladding but at least I have pictures:)

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/1690/dsc0001kr4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/6923/dsc0002pj2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/2885/dsc0003ga0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/9038/dsc0004fj1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/6091/dsc0005bn9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/9884/dsc0006dk9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/8696/dsc0007eg8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/6093/dsc0010qd4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/278/dsc0013zq3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/6835/dsc0015nh5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/9943/dsc0018lf3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/4343/dsc0023ts4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Sky Tower]

:previous: Nice shots Imre, the cladding won't be long now! ;)

Hi all.
And then we got this...

http://i14.tinypic.com/4g4x11s.jpg

92 meters from center to podium tip - kool.
They then show us a 64 meter figure. There is an error. They show it extending to the last grey setback which they say is level 7 = 3168 sq m. But that setback is podium level 3 ( which is level 6 of the tower ). Level 7 only has 4 setbacks. So they have the drawing right - 4 tower setbacks and 3 podium, but is the 64 meters to tower setback 1 or podium setback 3 ? Also same for the 3168 figure.
I am inclined to think 64 meters to tip of podium level 3 and 3168 sq m for the tower level 7 ( which is the same size as the slab ). :shrug: :cheers:
It's definately measured wrong. It's showing the third podium tier instead of the first setback. Even so, by this diagram each setback must be a good 10.5m wide instead of the 8m we concluded earlier.

There are industry standard sizes of forms that are sizes:

1600mm x 800mm
2100mm x 1050mm
3200mm x 1600mm


By your original post with photo of the forms and the guy stood on level 6 the forms look wider than he is tall!

I suggest these forms are the 2100mm x 1050mm ones!

2100mm x 5 = 10,500mm = 10.5m width....which would match the drawing!

In which case would have a 54.5m radius (excluding and podium tiers) :tup:

[robertaas]

If the USA pools gov't money together, it can build a tower so tall that BD will be short by comparison.The Iraq war has so far cost the US gouvernment over 380 times Burj Dubai. Imagine the skyline such money could have given...

Just trying to put things in perspective, please don't start discussing the war here.

[Nowhereman1280]

^^^ Hint: People will stop posting about war when you stop bringing it up...

I don't know how you do it in North Korea, but in America private companies build buildings, not the government, so Iraq war money would have built no skyline, since its government money. When the government builds stuff you end up with buildings like the Ruyongyang (probably misspelt) hotel in what city? Oh yes! I remember Poyongyang!

(PS that wasn't about the war, but about pointing out why you should stop bringing it up (your gov is just as bad and generally accepted as worse than ours) in ever other post, go argue with the morons on Yahoo news forums if you want to talk about that.)

Anyhow, Burj Dubai...

I'm a bit confused by all this talk of Radiai, are we talking distance from the middle of the building to the end of a wing?

Are you guys trying to count the number of Forms and multiply it by the width of a form to find this number?

In the orginal picture, it says 160 X 80, so I am guessing the standard form size they are using is not 2100mm x 1050mm, but 1600mm x 800mm, or am I looking at the wrong forms?

Oh and one last thing, IMRE, I love those pictures of Dubai, and all its constructive glory, at dusk! I can't wait to see what that view will look like when all those buildings are completed and filled with tennants and lit up with real lights at night!

[Sky Tower]

:previous: They will probably be using a mixture but again they look too wide to be 1600 x 800's in the photo.

However, if they are 1600 x 800's then the diameter of the building will be 48m shorter than the official diagram, doesn't make sense to me!!!

For those who haven't figured it out yet....robertass is not from Pyongyang....just a misguided soul who loves to provoke!!!

Looks like he's getting the attention he so craves ;)

(Er ikke det rett meg Norsk venn?)

Hint: Olso, Norway. :jester:

[Sky Tower]

Oh, I found this too on SSC.

http://skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=10308052&postcount=397

[Fury]

Hi all.
Sky tower The forms look 80 by 160 my friend. Why would they put 80 by 160 on a form that is 210 by 105 ? 183 cm is 6 ft. - that form they are carrying is not 7 feet long. :shrug: The 8 meter figure is not the wing ( setback ) width, but the "lenth" of each setback.

Here's another angle

http://i14.tinypic.com/2uji4vo.jpg

We can see 4 full lenth forms and approx 1/2 to wall center. The forms are laid lenthwise. Hence my 8 meter figure for the "lenth" of each setback. Should be able to use the form layout to get widths, etc. The individual forms are visible, sorta ... - maybe some photoshop would help.:cheers:

[Sky Tower]

:previous: No, I got it the first time and I agree with the pictures.

I know they don't lie....but wow...what a big deviation to the official diagram!

I think I was just trying to think of a way that you could be wrong; but the more I look at it the more you're right.

So, do you make it about a 40m diameter from center to the outsite of the non-podium legs?

Just seems strange as I've also measured the footprint on Google Earth and I was about 250m away from it when I was there last month and it definately looks bigger than that to me.

Unless I'm just deluding myself? :shrug:

P.P.S.....Nice shot by the way!

[Slugbelch]

Those guys in there gives you an idea of how big (or small) those apartments will be. With the more people who visit and take these inside shots, there has to be some cool (deep-inside-the-core) pics floating around on the web... somewhere

Thanks Fury for another rare inside look at the WTB. :cool:

[Fury]

Hi all.
I'm thinkin 40 to 42 meters from center to the tip of the raft which is the same size as what you're refering to Sky Tower. Refering to above drawing level 147 is approx 750 sq m - this is the inner core without wings. Then approx 1500 with the 3 first setbacks. Now just sayin if the wings were square that is 750 more or 250 per wing. So 8 by 31 - 31 meter wide wings er so. The trend continues - approx 2200 then 3200 sorta :rolleyes: :shrug:
:cheers:

[Sky Tower]

:previous: Ok, whilst your both online.....give me 5 minutes :yes:

[cur_sed]

Hrmmm... looking at that diagram posted by Sky tower, I've had a thought. at 123 stories, is it possible that Burj Dubai's public observatory won't be the highest such point in the world? I did a few calculations and in all of them, it came out shorter than CN's skypod, which stands at 446.5 metres.
If we take the previously quoted 3.4884 metre floor to floor height, 123 floors up should be approximately 429.1 metres in the air. If we take the 525 metre figure for the 147th floor, and again using 3.4884, 24 stories below 525 should be 441.2 metres. And if we take 525 metres as the level of the 147th floor and use that to get a floor to floor average of 3.571 metres, then 123 floors is 439.3 metres. Again, shorter than CN's 446.5 metres skypod. Of course, all of this ignores the fact that Shanghai WFC will be in the vicinity of 475 to its uppermost observation deck. Not sure of the plans for Busan Lotte are, but it seems a possibility that we'll see a 450+ observation deck there, too. Looks like the 'ole Burj might not sweep -all- of the 'tallest' records just yet. :P

[Atlas]

:previous: That's why they should have had it on the top floor. That would be cool.:yes:

[Sky Tower]

:previous: Still at the office at half two in the morning (U.K. time)....now that's dedication :haha:

http://dreamweaverstudios.co.uk/images/google/001.jpg

.....Shit!....the measuring tool didn't appear on the sreen print.....well it was 10.66m anyway......

http://dreamweaverstudios.co.uk/images/google/002.jpg

.....62.06m

http://dreamweaverstudios.co.uk/images/google/003.jpg


292.63m

http://dreamweaverstudios.co.uk/images/google/004.jpg

11.72m.....

http://dreamweaverstudios.co.uk/images/google/005.jpg

11.69m.....

http://dreamweaverstudios.co.uk/images/google/007.jpg

92.02m......

http://dreamweaverstudios.co.uk/images/google/008.jpg

and 92.06m

Sorry....I must find a way of screen printing the measuring tool as well....but have a play with it, it's pretty accurate as it's GPS!!! :tup:

[Fury]

:previous: sweet. So the drawing is perhaps right on the 64 meters - kool man:tup: Like your idea on a site too - more is gooder :D :cheers:

[Sky Tower]

Hrmmm... looking at that diagram posted by Sky tower, I've had a thought. at 123 stories, is it possible that Burj Dubai's public observatory won't be the highest such point in the world? I did a few calculations and in all of them, it came out shorter than CN's skypod, which stands at 446.5 metres.
If we take the previously quoted 3.4884 metre floor to floor height, 123 floors up should be approximately 429.1 metres in the air. If we take the 525 metre figure for the 147th floor, and again using 3.4884, 24 stories below 525 should be 441.2 metres. And if we take 525 metres as the level of the 147th floor and use that to get a floor to floor average of 3.571 metres, then 123 floors is 439.3 metres. Again, shorter than CN's 446.5 metres skypod. Of course, all of this ignores the fact that Shanghai WFC will be in the vicinity of 475 to its uppermost observation deck. Not sure of the plans for Busan Lotte are, but it seems a possibility that we'll see a 450+ observation deck there, too. Looks like the 'ole Burj might not sweep -all- of the 'tallest' records just yet. :P

Hmmm, good question, I heard the 123 story quote as well.

If we take a look at the origanal spec and hope (God knows why they would!) haven't lowered it from the original 142-143 levels.


http://www.dreamweaverstudios.co.uk/images/plan.jpg

The 3.4884 was the average floor/level from the last Besix height I think at about level 44 from memory.

Although now with the extra larger floors is somewhere around 3.537/level (although Culwulla will disagree).

By the time is gets to that height the ave floor/level ratio with some even bigger floor levels on the way should put the ave floor/level ratio at nearer 3.62/level (which some websites have used all along to give their over ambitious current height levels)

So, 143 x 3.62 = 517.6m

I have faith that the developers will want to beat all records during construction. The egos involved wouldn't let it be any other way! :haha:

Let's hope it keeps on growing and ending more like this?


http://dreamweaverstudios.co.uk/images/burj_renders/burj2.jpg
On Alaqarira T.V. on the 4th November an Arabtec official spoke from the top of the tower (level 82) and told viewers that work is on schedule and will be the tallest building in Dubai on January 15th 2007. The big news thought was that the Burj Dubai would now not be finished as planned in Dec '08 and would now be March '09.....not from delays....but due to another design change because "EMAAR have made some more changes of the design and the final height is much taller than originally expected."

Also confirmed over at SSC. :dancing::dancing::dancing:

[Sky Tower]

:previous: sweet. So the drawing is perhaps right on the 64 meters - kool man:tup: Like your idea on a site too - more is gooder :D :cheers:

Don't you mean gooderer??? :cheers:

[cur_sed]

So, 143 x 3.62 = 517.6m
517, hey? Well, that's more like it, I must say.

[Sky Tower]

Also confirmed on SSC biker's website, burjdubaiskyscraper.com (http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/)

They go into more detail about a failed first facade testing which puts them back to starting their interior work in August 2008, taking 300 days to finish.

Looks like the tower won't be ready inside-out 'till the end of '09!

Might also explain why there's no glass yet as well!!

[Sky Tower]

sky tower.....blah...blah....blah! 517, hey? Well, that's more like it, I must say.
Hey...Sky Tower has a capital S and a capital T :jester:

....but seeing as it's you.... ;)

[Slugbelch]

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3648/bd110706toyoharagz7.jpg
toyohara

[Kermit Call]

I ask again where is the glass on this building? It seems the General Contractor has a collosal problem on their hands by not having any glass on this building so far. Who is doing the glass for the world's next tallest building; when will they step up to the plate to save face?

[Sky Tower]

:previous: Apparently, patience is a virtue!!!

From memory I beleive it is Gulf Extrusions who are cladding this beast but it was always going to be in November because of the intense heat that would make working conditions unbearable if put on any earlier.

(Also where the leaked final height of 940m+ came from, but dissmissable until confirmed by officials)

Start moaning again in December if there's no glass and I'll join in with you! ;)

[Fury]

Hi all.
Sure alot of "glass / cladding / facade" posts ...
Since we can look at the "glass" forever (proverbially of course ;) ) when it is on the tower, why not enjoy the view of the details while we can :yes: :cheers:

[malec]

:previous: Apparently, patience is a virtue!!!

From memory I beleive it is Gulf Extrusions who are cladding this beast but it was always going to be in November because of the intense heat that would make working conditions unbearable if put on any earlier.

(Also where the leaked final height of 940m+ came from, but dissmissable until confirmed by officials)

Start moaning again in December if there's no glass and I'll join in with you! ;)
The 940m figure is the maximum that the foundation can take not an actual figure for the height. Gulf news were the people who confused this with the height of the tower. When the tower had 50 floors and was still under 200m they said because it's 800m it'll have more than 200 floors, which makes no sense :D

[AltinD]

I ask again where is the glass on this building? It seems the General Contractor has a collosal problem on their hands by not having any glass on this building so far. Who is doing the glass for the world's next tallest building; when will they step up to the plate to save face?

Inserts from a (very informative) article posted in SSC:

The tower has 140,000 sq m of cladding. The system consists of reflective glass in aluminum and stainless steel spandrel panels with vertical tubular fins of stainless steel.

Installation of the curtain wall became troublesome when the Swiss-based contractor Schmidlin A.G. went bankrupt early this year. Its local operations were then saved by Arab investors.

Curtain wall installation just began. Schmidlin’s problems caused “a few months’ delay,” says Kim. “They will operate two shifts to recover,” he adds, forecasting no adverse effects on the overall schedule.


Hope this ends once for all, all the speculations on the subject. :whip:

[Sky Tower]

Yeah, I don't get it either.

Arabtec actually 'confirmed' the height of 940m+ under the 'our projects' link on the Arabtec official website in late September.

Four days later they deactivated the whole link and have never replaced it.....it now just doesn't do anything!

[Bergenser]

Orginnaly posted by Sky Tower
Yeah, I don't get it either.

Arabtec actually 'confirmed' the height of 940m+ under the 'our projects' link on the Arabtec official website in late September.

Four days later they deactivated the whole link and have never replaced it.....it now just doesn't do anything!

Does that mean that it's hope for the 940m+ version? :D

[Slugbelch]

I really don't get why people get so excited about wanting the windows put up anyway.

... it just marks the beginning of the end

Besides, when they strt to go up, it also marks the beginning of everything hidden behind it.

:shrug:

[mightygoose]

15th of january next year, thats the celebration date then, tallest in dubai. cool, when is it expected to surpass the sears??? its funny that it will be the tallest structure on the planet for some time before its finished. further more, i have read in sevelral places and consulted renders on this site and others that the pinnacle, or al burj down on the waterfront will have a taller roof height that the burj dubai, lol any news on when thats starting up ???

[Ryan81]

Thought it would be fun to put some perspective on this....even if it is wrong, which it most surely is. Just fun to imagine!

If Burj Dubai is around 300 meters right now, then this rendering would probably be about 900 meters. I didn't use any scientific method to resize. I simply scaled up the rendering proportionally until the width at the base of the rendering matched the width of the base in the actual picture. I tried to place the base of the rendering where I thought the actual finished grade may exist in this photo.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/235/burjrenderrv2.jpg

[Dougall5505]

awesome!

[Slugbelch]

^ Indeed. Very good! ...and the best picture to put it on as well.

Nov 7:
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/2792/bd110706ensandxbnf6.jpg
ensandxb

[vanhenrik]

Thought it would be fun to put some perspective on this....even if it is wrong, which it most surely is. Just fun to imagine!

If Burj Dubai is around 300 meters right now, then this rendering would probably be about 900 meters. I didn't use any scientific method to resize. I simply scaled up the rendering proportionally until the width at the base of the rendering matched the width of the base in the actual picture. I tried to place the base of the rendering where I thought the actual finished grade may exist in this photo.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/235/burjrenderrv2.jpg

wow this is the best picture ever ! thanks !

[Nowhereman1280]

Wow, nice job, looks like a pretty accurate placement to me!

That really gives you an idea of exactly how much this thing will stand out. Of course there will be alot more and taller buildings around its base when its done, but it will still dwarf all of them. If it ends up 900+ meters, then I have to say that it would stand out in any skyline in the world. Just the only place I can think of where it wouldn't stick out way above everything else would be some where between Aon center cluster, Trump tower and Waterview, and the Fordham spire (if it gets built) in Chicago!

I wish thats where they were building this! Then again it would really detract from the grandure of Fordham spire. It would be really sweet to see this directly across the rive from Fordham, what a couple of buildings that would be! It would be quite the gateway to the Chicago river!

Oh well, its in Dubai, sucks for me!

[malec]

That image has no perspective so that needs to be accounted for

[Slugbelch]

^ ...somehow I'm not surprised. We're not perfect over here...

[CGII]

So is it currently the highest point in Dubai? Or is that yet to come?

[malec]

Nope emirates tower 1 and 2, rose rotana and burj al arab are still taller

[Sky Tower]

:previous: I think that STR's tower. I think it's scaled to 808m.

If you resize the photo to 900 x 1200, it creates a really cool virtual desktop cityscape if you set it in 'tile' mode!

[Sky Tower]

So is it currently the highest point in Dubai? Or is that yet to come?

It should be around January 15th :yes:

[Slugbelch]

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/5817/bd102906ellysefk6.jpg
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/6921/bd103006jameslyelloo0.jpg

it's currently taller than the moon...
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/7978/bd110906weldelbadiamu0.png
ellyse/jameslyell/weldelbedia

[Sky Tower]

That's a great picture at the top...it looks like it's now heading for the stars!

[Fury]

Hi all.
Slugbelch, bitchin pic(s) man ! Not sure where you go ,but here's some of what I found today ( found 29 tidbits - lots very small ). All older but new to me.

Feb 7 '06

http://i14.tinypic.com/2mmea1w.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/4fts388.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/2i7ollw.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/4728n6u.jpg

http://i14.tinypic.com/44hba5u.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/42utkkh.jpg

March '06

http://i14.tinypic.com/30bea3a.jpg

July '06

http://i13.tinypic.com/49acl5u.jpg

Oct. '06

http://i13.tinypic.com/2ywhkbt.jpg

Fantastic structure :banana: :cheers:

[Fury]

Hi all.
I been wanting to post these - again not new but kool. Must be a 20 foot model - sweet

http://i14.tinypic.com/2q86lb9.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/2n20dqe.jpg

http://i14.tinypic.com/2vkgc9u.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/2cdao0w.jpg

The Structure of a Lifetime :notacrook: :cheers:

[Slugbelch]

^ Nice. Would like to see close-ups of that model.

[Slugbelch]

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/8407/bd102906zeboooqn6.jpg

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4030/bd111006davepellandpt9.jpg
davepelland

[FrancoRey]

That's f***ing saweeet! Tell me that photo was spontaneous 'cause that'd be awesome!

[ZZ-II]

great pic

[-GR2NY-]

That makeup someone did on page 74 can't be right. I think one needs to be rotated so that the step-offs line up on both, and then you'd find that the rendering would need to be about 1/3'rd smaller. Not ripping on you, cuz its cool what you did, but I'm just saying.

[colemonkee]

Is that bird eating another bird?

[Bergenser]

Great shots!

[Stratosphere]

Is that bird eating another bird?
Looks like he's eating a pigeon (or a sea gull?)

[Sky Tower]

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/8407/bd102906zeboooqn6.jpg

Is that the place where Dubai's Falcon City Of Wonders is being built? :jester:

http://www.pmc-homes.com/Other_Areas/Dubai/Falcon_City/loc_FalconCity_of_wonders.jpghttp://www.ameinfo.com/images/news/4/13374-falcon.jpgFalcon City Of Wonders

[Fury]

^ Nice. Would like to see close-ups of that model.

Hi all.

Hey Slugbelch - you get kool new pics just about every day - great work man ( the new pics in the other thread ).

google video model builder (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=5389611775240031343&q=burj+dubai)

Upon closer inspection this is the same model as in the pics I posted. 27 feet high - kewl.

Fantastic new Structure mag article (http://www.structuremag.org/archives/2006/Nov-2006/F-Burj-Dubai-Tower-Irwin-etal-Nov_06.pdf) - nov '06 :yes: Structure of a Lifetime ! :cheers:

[Fury]

Hi all.

A couple more I found today:

Nov 3 '06

http://i15.tinypic.com/4hu4v9x.jpg

Wish this was bigger ...

http://i15.tinypic.com/2j1o9ht.jpg

Love this thing - That article from Structure has some bitchin info - I'm addicted :haha: :cheers:

[pablosan]

This building is just enormous.

[Xeelee]

Is that bird eating another bird?
Naw... he's vegetarian.

[BrandonJXN]

Naw... he's vegetarian.

:haha:

[Tom In Chicago]

I was bored this morning so I imported the stacking diagram into Photoshop and counted the levels. . . I managed to get either 154 or 155 depending on if you count the area where the spire segment meets the roof. . .

http://www.pbase.com/temper/image/70032969.jpg

[Slugbelch]

Yesterday (Nov. 10):

Scaffolding being removed. Now only one on each wing.
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/466/bd111006eeembamh1.jpg http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7963/bd111106hapoopcw5.png
eeemba/hapoop

[AltinD]

The angle of this shot is GREAT with the BD Lake Hotel looking as it is the lower part of Burj Dubai:

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7963/bd111106hapoopcw5.png

What makes this even better is the fact that the picture was taken from a moving vehicle.

I have shot something similar (in concept) my self, with the CN Tower looking as it is the spire on one of Toronto's waterfront building.

[AltinD]

12-Nov-2006

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[Sky Tower]

Ok guys, getting bored of waiting for something new and exciting to happen!

With nothing else better to do I thought I'd be really childish and play around with the tower design.

Just a bit of fun....how about a stupidly extended 362 story 1500m tower? :lmao:

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I know, I know........:gtfo2:

I don't get out much.........and I've been drinking for 7 hours now! :cheers:......I'll regret it in the morning!

[BnaBreaker]

These new skyscrapers are nice and all, but I wish Dubai would stop with this wannabe crap and just improve and modernize the amazing culture it already had. I know Dubai thinks it is impressing people with its "western" restaurants and hotels and buildings and road systems, but in my opinion it would be more impressive if they simply improved on old Dubai and extended that idea.

[malec]

^^ How about doing both ;)

What I'd hate to see happen though is for old dubai to be neglected when businesses start moving in to the new towers. Hopefully they won't let that happen

[BnaBreaker]

^^ How about doing both ;)

What I'd hate to see happen though is for old dubai to be neglected when businesses start moving in to the new towers. Hopefully they won't let that happen

I suppose they could to both, but it would be hard I think.

[AltinD]

"sorry" to break your wishfull discussion but when something with traditional Arabic style is build or presented in Dubai the crowds are lighting fast to label them as "tacky Vegas style", while something modern is labelled "un-neccessesay crap" even faster.

The "soul" talk is just crap.

[Sky Tower]

:previous: I agree, anyway, most forumers just really appreciate the fact that someone, somewhere is building it!

Lots of us login to the skyscraperpage forum because we just love skyscrapers! ;)

[BnaBreaker]

"sorry" to break your wishfull discussion but when something with traditional Arabic style is build or presented in Dubai the crowds are lighting fast to label them as "tacky Vegas style", while something modern is labelled "un-neccessesay crap" even faster.

The "soul" talk is just crap.


Oh, okay, well then I guess that settles it! :sly:

Why is the "soul" talk "just crap"? Care to expound?

I'm not talking about what an individual building looks like. I'm talking about the way the overall neighborhoods are being developed. Like I said, I know Dubai likes to flash its wealth and show off, but in the long run, in my opinion, nothing but negativity can come from this trend of building nothing but these gigantic monuments to wealth, materialism, greed, and the arrogance of the developer.

I like skyscrapers, but none of these things being built in Dubai are a part of anything anymore. The only reason people say it looks like Las Vegas is because it truly is starting to be developed like Las Vegas.

Skyscrapers have to be integrated into the surrounding community. They are merely one part of the greater whole. Do you have any response? Or are you just going to pout some more?

[Sky Tower]

:previous: You obviously haven't seen the Dubai Megaprojects video.

Here's a short clip http://youtube.com/watch?v=fY0llXrOsSU

The full version is 1hr 11mins long if your interested in educating yourself further.

There was no master plan for Vegas, it just slowly grows from out the desert. Dubai has a massive masterplan that is the envy of every major city.

I love Chi-Town but I know where I'd rather holiday next year!

That notion kinda opitomises why this city is being developed.

The fact that the Burj Tower pisses over your Sears Tower must really grate you?

Don't worry....in time, you'll get over it! :haha:

[cur_sed]

a master plan does not a viable city make, I'm afraid.
Regardless of what you think of the direction Dubai's going in, it must be said that it's unlike nearly anything else the world has seen. The vast majority of skylines have developed over many, many years. New York, Chicago, Hong Kong, they all grew up over a great number of years. The fact that Dubai is building its skyscrapers in largely undeveloped areas, outside of any existing urban fabric, -does- set it apart from basically every large city in the world. And while the Las Vegas comparison is certainly a stretch, it -is- one of the few cities where this kind of development (tall buildings constructed as the first phase of urbanisation) has occured in the past. Other such cities might include planned national capitals like Brasilia and Astana (Kazakh capital), and possibly HK's New Territory settlements, though their connection to HK makes them a little different.

[slide_rule]

I'm talking about the way the overall neighborhoods are being developed. Like I said, I know Dubai likes to flash its wealth and show off, but in the long run, in my opinion, nothing but negativity can come from this trend of building nothing but these gigantic monuments to wealth, materialism, greed, and the arrogance of the developer.

yeah, but those beautiful towers in new york, chicago, hong kong, etc. are monuments to greed as well. it's not right, but that doesn't prevent me (and apparently many other people) from appreciating their architecture. dubai is a new place. it doesn't make sense to compare it to well-established cities.

as far as the questionable urban form goes; well... it's the age of the car. dubai shouldn't be compared to wacker drive or park avenue. it should be compared to what's being built now. you know, plano and northern new jersey and riverside.

[Sky Tower]

Cities like Calgary and Edmonton where built all in one go too and although they have some commendable buildings and skylines (especially with the backdrop of the rockies) but it all has a very clinical and uninspiring feel to it, with a quite boring grid system.

In my opinion Dubai should not be compared to any other city. It is without doubt in a catagory of its own.

Whether we like it or not.....Dubai is the future of city developement.

If you look at things with a glass half full attitude instead, then you will see something in Dubai that you'll all love.

In time, there will be a heart to Dubai that would have inspired 'old blues eyes' himself to write a song called, "Dubai Dubai".

A city so wonderful......they named it twice!!! :jester:

Da, Da...Dah, der, da......

[Sky Tower]

:previous:.....those little town bluuuuues......(All together)....Da, Da...Dah, der, da.....

Back to the Burj Dubai thread......

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AltinD 12th Nov

One more level should put this baby over over 300m :dancing:

.......it's up to you Durrrbai, Deurrrbaiiiiiiiiiiiiii........Da, Da...Dah, der, da....

[malec]

a master plan does not a viable city make, I'm afraid.
Regardless of what you think of the direction Dubai's going in, it must be said that it's unlike nearly anything else the world has seen. The vast majority of skylines have developed over many, many years. New York, Chicago, Hong Kong, they all grew up over a great number of years. The fact that Dubai is building its skyscrapers in largely undeveloped areas, outside of any existing urban fabric, -does- set it apart from basically every large city in the world. And while the Las Vegas comparison is certainly a stretch, it -is- one of the few cities where this kind of development (tall buildings constructed as the first phase of urbanisation) has occured in the past. Other such cities might include planned national capitals like Brasilia and Astana (Kazakh capital), and possibly HK's New Territory settlements, though their connection to HK makes them a little different.
Well, like it or not this type of thing is going on in more places than you think. Loads of cities in China have "new CBDs" planned and do resemble projects like this and business bay a bit.

[CGII]

Wow, this thing is already a hulking behemoth. How many floors per week is this rising?

[cur_sed]

Whether we like it or not.....Dubai is the future of city developement.
I'm not so sure of that. While some of the stuff going up in Dubai (BD included) is spectacular and really pushing the frontiers architecturally, and I think it's an incredible place, it does strike me as something of a throwback. I thought the future was gonna be energy efficient? I thought the future was gonna have decent public transport (Calgary has more buses than Dubai :P). Nah, Dubai is building itself up as a rich people's playground - for the people wealthy enough to continue living in the oil age :P. It'll be damn pretty though.
Pushing 300m eh? it's nice to see some of that scaffolding off.

[AltinD]

^^ Yes the future will have a more then decent public transport indeed. In fact hundreds of kms of Light Rail, monorails and trams. ;)

[Sky Tower]

I'm not so sure of that. While some of the stuff going up in Dubai (BD included) is spectacular and really pushing the frontiers architecturally, and I think it's an incredible place, it does strike me as something of a throwback. I thought the future was gonna be energy efficient? I thought the future was gonna have decent public transport (Calgary has more buses than Dubai :P). Nah, Dubai is building itself up as a rich people's playground - for the people wealthy enough to continue living in the oil age :P. It'll be damn pretty though.
Pushing 300m eh? it's nice to see some of that scaffolding off.
:previous: Well, the The Dubai Metro has been given the go ahead.....that in itself is going to be a huge project.....apart from that, the air conditioned car rules here!

"Rich peoples playground?" I could buy 3 penthouse apartments on Dubai marina with views of of the palm for the equivalent cost of my house on the south coast of England. Property there is much cheaper!

.....how many floors per week is this rising?
It's back on track rising a new floor every 3 days.

[Ryan81]

When saying there is a floor finished every three days, does that include the wings, or is that just the core....or both perhaps? Doesn't really matter I guess - just curious.

[Sky Tower]

:previous: Erm, yeah both! The wings tend to catch up when the core slows down for mech levels. The last 3 floors of each setback seem to take about 2-3 weeks to complete because the forms have to be changed and the load transfer beams have to be tied in on the mech levels. However, some of the corridor, link beam, and hammerhead walls have been known to climb a level every other day!

[rbowk]

when do they start doing the windows

[Muskavon]

There won't be windows. Lower is better. More dust, but less gale wind.

[vanhenrik]

:banana: November 15th 2006 - Level 85 - Height 300.65m - Currently the 35th tallest highrise building in the world!



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[gixer]

:previous:
Yeah... Officially supertall now... :rock: :worship:

[Bergenser]

Great then it's official a supertall! :dancing:

[STR]

Well, like it or not this type of thing is going on in more places than you think. Loads of cities in China have "new CBDs" planned and do resemble projects like this and business bay a bit.

Those, for the most part, are being built in existing urban areas, or just on the periphery of them. This is dozens of square miles rising from sand. There is zero knowledge on how residents and commuters will handle this city.

It will either work, or fail spectacularly with a city with 3 hour commutes.

[malec]

I dunno but this doesn't seem like dozens of square miles rising from the sand and doesn't seem all that far away from the old centre either. Using google earth the whole new cbd including business bay, burj dubai all the way past emirates towers is about 4 sq miles.

[Sky Tower]

:previous: 4 miles squared is 16sq/miles ;)

Old town to the Marina/Palm Jamiera is about 15 miles going inland about 4 miles.

I make that 60 square miles of construction not to mention the other stuff going on 10 miles south west (another 9 sq/miles)

I lived in a remote part of Wales once where my nearest supermarket was 26 miles away. Anytime day or night it would only ever take me 20 minutes to go shopping as there were never any cars on the road.

Now my local supermarket is less than 2 miles away and yet it still takes me the same time to get there!

The infrastructure for road, rail, monorail and trams looks really well planned and I don't think in its peak hours would be any less of a chore to travel around a busy Dubai city than any other city I know!

[vanhenrik]

i wonder how the bulding wold be efekted with strong winds with a hight of around 800 meters tall ??? :cheers:

[malec]

Right now traffic is a nightmare there. Sure there are loads of new routes getting built, the metro, a more extensive bus service, etc but with all the projects it'll balance this out and the traffic will still be terrible.

BTW I said 4 square miles not 4 miles sqaured. There are lots of other projects that are in the middle of nowhere but they're not supposed to function as a cbd.

[Sky Tower]

i wonder how the bulding wold be efekted with strong winds with a hight of around 800 meters tall ??? :cheers:

As the building is mainly residential, building sway would make many people on the higher floors suffer from motion sickness.

This is the main reason for going up 550m with concrete. The steel upper section is designed to move and will sway on it's highest levels up to 1.5 meters in strong winds! :yuck:

[Slugbelch]

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[vanhenrik]

As the building is mainly residential, building sway would make many people on the higher floors suffer from motion sickness.

This is the main reason for going up 550m with concrete. The steel upper section is designed to move and will sway on it's highest levels up to 1.5 meters in strong winds! :yuck:

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[Sky Tower]

:previous: Yes, of course it will sway a bit but an equivalent steel structure would sway up to 6 meters at the top!

The short answer.....no it won't have a counterbalance.....it's not in the design and besides, there's no room! ;)