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LAMetroGuy
Apr 18, 2006, 4:14 PM
Vertically challenged
Dozens of condo high-rises are planned in Orange County, but experts say many builders will balk.

http://www.ocregister.com/newsimages/money/2006/04/02allhi_sem.jpg

By MATHEW PADILLA
The Orange County Register

Too much, too soon.

High-rises for residential living, which were barely whispered about a few years ago, are now the hottest development trend in Orange County.

Market watchers doubt if many planned towers will ever see the light of day. And if they do get built, then some may sit empty as the market becomes flooded with condos of similar style and price. That could become a financial quagmire for those who invested millions in their construction.

Orange County, on paper at least, is getting 44 such towers, including two already built.

That could translate into 5,000 new condos, based on the fact that the towers under development so far hold at least 100 units.

Walter Hahn, a longtime county real estate economist, is a big believer that condominium high-rises will play an important part in future development.

Why? The county is fast running out of vacant developable land. And the county for years has produced more jobs than homes for its workers, leading to a severe housing shortage.

Even so, there is such a thing as too much too soon, he says.

"Five years ago, I don't think anybody was even talking about one," Hahn said.

Then Bosa Development, an outsider from Vancouver, Canada, built and sold two towers in Irvine. Other developers are scrambling to be next, he said. That rush could flood the market with a niche product.

"They all jump in at once and sink the boat," Hahn said.

Developers with projects under way are skeptical their competitors will follow through.

"I'd be shocked if 50 percent of planned projects actually happen," said Matt Montgomery, an executive in the Irvine office of Opus Corp. that is constructing two towers in Irvine and plans a third.

High-rises are complicated and expensive construction, Montgomery said. Recent spikes in prices of materials such as steel, concrete, lumber and plastic, haven't helped.

Nat Bosa, head of Bosa Development, said some owners of sites pegged for high-rises outside of Irvine have asked him if he's interesting in buying their land.

Yet, the fact that anyone is building an Orange County high-rise is a novelty and represents a new development phase for the county.

Urban planner Randal Jackson of Costa Mesa's The Planning Center said the county is finally moving beyond its horizontal fixation.

"Finally, we have broken the mold," he said. "It gives a sense of place.

It's not clear if the planned towers will follow Bosa's model of luxury living with a pool, gym, doormen and hefty price tag. Because towers are expensive to build, some market watchers say they must target wealthier buyers.

Homebuilder Lennar Corp. disagrees. It plans 14 towers in Anaheim's Platinum Triangle. Some Lennar units will be priced for people who want to live and work in the area yet have a hard time affording a home there, said Rich Knowland, regional vice president in Lennar's Anaheim office.

Economist Hahn said making units more affordable likely means making them smaller.

Skeptics of high-rise living point to slowing sales in Dallas and Las Vegas. Sin City, which once had 100 towers planned, has seen seven high-rise projects scrapped or stalled in the past year or so, according to news reports.

Dale
Apr 18, 2006, 4:29 PM
I thought that there was a tall one approved and ready to go for downtown Santa Ana ?

LAMetroGuy
Apr 18, 2006, 5:37 PM
Yes, but that is not a residential tower. That list doesn't include office towers.

JRinSoCal
Apr 18, 2006, 6:02 PM
Speaking of OC highrise development, here's a website about Anaheim's proposed A-town development by Lennar Corporation. It features a video tour. Check it out. www.a-town.com

Dale
Apr 18, 2006, 6:47 PM
Yes, but that is not a residential tower. That list doesn't include office towers.

Oh, gotcha.

LAMetroGuy
Apr 18, 2006, 7:29 PM
We should also put office "towers" here too for the OC:

http://www.irvineoffice.com/brandnew/images/gallery/2040pacifica_1.jpg


20·40 PACIFICA
In the heart of Irvine Spectrum rise two new office towers. Conveniently located at the confluence of the 5, 405 and 133 Freeways with exceptional visibility, these elegant, travertine-clad buildings are accented with stainless steel and frame a richly landscaped courtyard. Across the street from The Village Apartment Homes and within walking distance of Irvine Spectrum Center, 20·40 PACIFICA offer all the advantages of Working, Living and Playing in Irvine Spectrum. Opens in late 2007.

pablosan
Apr 18, 2006, 9:07 PM
It's nice to see that OC is looking to highrises to create more living units. I hope that many of these projects move forward.

asieger
Feb 16, 2007, 6:33 AM
Does anybody know anything about the OC Museum of Art tower being planned for the area around South Coast Plaza? Supposedly it's going to have museum space on 3-4 levels with condos above? I've seen proposals by a major architect but as it doesn't seem public yet I can't really mention names...

All these high rises in Orange County are great, it's too bad so many of the new high density stuff still denies the street retail frontage, or frontage at all (ie. all the condos on the south side of Jamboree). Now we just need some real public transportation.

Derek
Feb 22, 2007, 5:03 AM
im glad to see this area going up more...for the population as large as it is in this area...is kinda boring going up the 5 and 405 and not seeing anything but houses...

brinegarempire
Feb 24, 2007, 7:00 AM
boring...

Derek
Feb 24, 2007, 7:03 AM
sure its boring, but its a start...

future29
May 13, 2007, 11:10 PM
already under construction
http://www.skylineinoc.com/page.cfm

http://www.skylineinoc.com/images/Skyline_Rendering.jpg

philip
May 14, 2007, 3:20 AM
Yes, 15 story is considered a HIGH rise in Irvine.

want2beaqui
May 25, 2007, 7:45 PM
Well im glad the new towers (residential) in irvine are not these disgusting brown poop blocks that are all over the place. I just hate when i am at the 405 heading by SNA and you look to your right near the taco bell building and there is that complex of Lego like building all the same color and no flare. anyways glad to see we are going vertical. I know its just my opinion but i hate the clone like buildings of irvine blah

david23
Jun 8, 2007, 7:15 PM
Why would they be building highrises in Santa Ana if 57% of the population lacks a high school diploma?

mhays
Jun 8, 2007, 8:18 PM
already under construction
http://www.skylineinoc.com/page.cfm

http://www.skylineinoc.com/images/Skyline_Rendering.jpg

The towers look good, but the driveway and lack of street frontage make the whole thing pretty suburban. It's not really that dense -- 7-story woodframes (2+5) that make full use of the lot would allow just as many units.

eburress
Jun 8, 2007, 10:14 PM
^^ You're right. They're relatively tall, but because of all the common areas and amenities, not necessarily that dense.

DowntownCharlieBrown
Aug 1, 2007, 4:04 PM
I was driving around the proposed One Broadway lot in Santa Ana yesterday and snapped these pictures. Not sure where this project stands, but there is a green fence around the lot. The historic house on the site is being prepared to be moved to another location. You can the see half of the house above the fence in the first pic. The other pics are renderings that are painted on the fence.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1400/968848842_e50ff5a5a2_b.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1229/968848752_d1854ae914_b.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1392/968848478_6e6c7cd180_b.jpg

oreo
Aug 2, 2007, 12:01 AM
I know the last post was over a year ago, but 20-40 pacifica are nearly complete, at least the exterior. One is completely clad and the other is undergoing cladding. Sorry no pictures

WonderlandPark
Aug 2, 2007, 12:13 AM
I think One Broadway should be classified as on hold. That is almost zero progress since I started a thread on it in December.

DowntownCharlieBrown
Aug 9, 2007, 6:28 PM
Orange County Construction Update:

Here are a few shot I took yesterday of buildings under construction or recently completed:

Construction on Jamboree?
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1057/1063137948_6b69548124.jpg

Skyline: Two towers under construction
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1141/1062064985_fbb860c82c.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1176/1062083137_03e6624220.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1283/1062935602_d3b16570ce.jpg

Plaza Irvine: Two completed towers, one under construction
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1143/1062974086_2afb29cfe8.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1184/1062096935_bbe5e62111.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1064/1062988450_d3e38294df.jpg

Central Park West: Two Towers under construction
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1234/1062260841_5151893a85.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1320/1063106418_2917a519dc.jpg

Park Place Residential: Two Towers completed
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1359/1062205341_14454d085d_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1257/1062214633_cc3f3825c5_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1193/1062443067_480be24bc3_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1199/1063092016_180d145253_b.jpg


Park Place Office Tower: Complete.
I really like this tower. It is hard to capture it on foot, however, when driving by on the 5 fwy or on Jamboree Rd, it really shines. I believe this is the only modern looking office tower that the OC received in this whole boom. There have been several other office towers built, but they all look like they were built last century.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1165/1063770400_5cbd21bd39_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1282/1062463353_13223ec7aa_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1076/1062147781_d7fe94dfbe_b.jpg

LosAngeles
Jun 8, 2008, 7:55 PM
i have a question
how long does it take from DTLA to Orange County "DT"??

DowntownCharlieBrown
Jun 8, 2008, 10:34 PM
From DTLA to DTOC(which I say is DT Santa Ana) is 35 minutes down the 5 freeway with no traffic. But... there is almost always traffic and when there is, Metrolink is faster (Union Station to Anaheim or Santa Ana). Santa Ana stops leaves you a 5 minute brisk walk to get to DTSA.